Why was the USS Oddessy so useless?
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Huh? Enterprise's hull was in much better shape than Scimitar's.
MeanJoePhaser
Admiral
That whole Wolf 359 didn't make them less complacent?
The captain was a dick, but how many Starfleet captains has Dax been? None.
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I laughed at the absurdity of the collision scene myself. I don't mean that necessarily in a derogatory manner (the Scimitar needed to be destroyed, they had no weapons left so why not?), but it just seemed rather OTT.
In retrospect, if they'd wanted to be -truly- audacious they would have evacuated to the battle section, launched the saucer into the Scimitar and then auto-destructed it.
Might have been a good time to launch any runabouts/shuttles the ship had with weapons capability.
What happened to the Odessey's warp and impulse systems? Are you telling me that a Galaxy class is so sluggish that she can't even put a scant few hundred/thousand meters between her and opposing vessels? Wouldn't the Jem'hedar fighters themselves do this as a side effect of making rapid high speed passes?
I seem to recall Picard staring out a runabout window watching the Enterprise explode before him without much concern. That range was certainly much less than 2km.
I reject the the too close for torpedo excuse in most episodes save "The Nth Degree" where the Cytherian probe was chasing the Enterprise.
My assumption about Galaxy Class Starships that like modern Aircraft carriers they're formidable weapons but slow and clumsy.
It looks as if Picard wanted to ram, see if that stopped Shinzon - and when it did not, evacuate and then autodestruct. He was not on mass-suicidal mood that day, so when autodestruct didn't fully cooperate, he had no desire to attempt manual destruct. He rather opted for a personal suicide mission when everything else failed...
Not that different from launching half the ship at the enemy, then; just as survivable, assuming that a robotic countdown worked, and probably quite a bit more effective (since separating the two sections would take the better part of a minute if E-D precedent is anything to go by).
How could she? Let's ignore for a moment the fact that the whole purpose of the fight was to stay, to prevent the enemy from engaging the helpless runabouts. Let's pretend that Keogh only thought about saving his own skin. Let's say he maneuvered at impulse.
The enemy would of course follow, since their weapons operated at short ranges. And with three baddies swooping in and out, at least one would always stay at range while two others could observe the movements of their prey and then leap back into the fray.
Again, probably better to spend the energy points where they counted, at phaser firepower.
Timo Saloniemi
Why just impulse? This episode was essentially a repeat of TNG's "The Arsenal of Freedom".
La Forge warped out of range for two minutes, brainstormed and rescued the imperiled party after destroying the defender.
A Galaxy class can easily dictate whatever range it wants owing to superior speed. Just play the Husnok game of being a little bit faster than your chaser. The Jem"Hadar seem pretty dumb and would fall for it.
We know bug ships are slower than decades old Centaur class so I find it hard to believe they are faster than a Galaxy.
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Keogh disengages, Sisko dies. (Or actually, two Siskos, an O'Brien and Nog die.) It just isn't a solution.
Besides, even if the Jem'Hadar played Keogh's came and blindly concentrated on the starship (which they of course did, but only per their secret orders which Keogh couldn't know about), and Keogh was able to get some distance between himself and the hunters, the torpedo fire would still be directed at the location the Odyssey had just vacated. That is, the location where Sisko was to be found, where O'Brien was searching for him. Keogh would essentially be fragging the rest of his own team there.
Timo Saloniemi
Besides, even if the Jem'Hadar played Keogh's came and blindly concentrated on the starship (which they of course did, but only per their secret orders which Keogh couldn't know about), and Keogh was able to get some distance between himself and the hunters, the torpedo fire would still be directed at the location the Odyssey had just vacated. That is, the location where Sisko was to be found, where O'Brien was searching for him. Keogh would essentially be fragging the rest of his own team there.
Timo Saloniemi
Why just impulse? Among other things the Odyssey appeared to suffer damage to at least one of its warp nacelles pretty much as soon as the Jem'hadar started attacking.
I also doubt the Jem'hadar were planning to stop attacking long enough or stay far enough away that the Odyssey could create a stable warp field, especially given the damage they'd sustained.
I also doubt the Jem'hadar were planning to stop attacking long enough or stay far enough away that the Odyssey could create a stable warp field, especially given the damage they'd sustained.
I remember thinking after seeing that happened, that Galxy class ships were getting lame.
Then after watching Sacrifice of Angels, I really liked watching them in action.
I think they redeemed themselves in that episode.
It's hard to see, but I think in that episode, you can see a Galaxy class ship take out a Jem Hadar Battle cruiser.
Then after watching Sacrifice of Angels, I really liked watching them in action.
I think they redeemed themselves in that episode.
It's hard to see, but I think in that episode, you can see a Galaxy class ship take out a Jem Hadar Battle cruiser.
darkwing_duck1
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He's talking about at the beginning of the firefight a Galaxy-class opened up on a Cardassian ship at point-blank range and literally shoved it out of the way with phaser fire.
He might be talking about a moment just before the Klingons arrive. Sisko says something like "Pattern Omega. We're going through", it cuts to an external close up of the Defiant and as the Defiant pulls away you can see a Galaxy in the top right corner sort of swing around and fire and there is an explosion. Had a look at Youtube but the quality wasn't good enough to really tell what it blew up.
Exactly.
You can see a Galaxy class ship firing at what looks to be a large dark colored ship which explodes.
It has to be a Dominion something, because a blue beam shoots out as it explodes.
It's a really weird shot because you can't precisely make out, but apparently it's a Dominion ship and pretty large.
Update; upon looking at it again it looks more like a Galaxy destroying two Jem Hadar ships at the same time... even more cool...it's still hard to make out...
But I also like that scene when the two Galaxies take out the one Galor in pretty much 10 seconds-beautiful sequence ...
I started liking the "old" ships more after that episode, the Galaxies, the Mirandas etc.
I think the Odessey was destroyed simply because they wanted to show the Dominion was really a threat. This is supposed to be an Enterprise-like ship w/ an Enterprise-like captain and crew, the best starfleet has to offer, and the Jem'Hadar destroyed it, to send a message. I doubt a Starfleet ship would ever do a suicide run unless the ship was going to blow up anyway or they knew they had no hope of surviving. It was supposed to show you how bad-ass and fanatical the Jem'Hadar were.
That was why the producers insisted upon the scene of the Odyssey being destroyed. It looks like they're getting away then you hear Bashir inform Kira of the suicide run and you assume they'll get the fighter in time, but you never expect to see it get destroyed.
Isn't this the first time in modern Trek we see a Federation ship actually be destroyed on screen that wasn't rectified seconds later?
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