Why was the Enterprise.. [Spoilers]

[WarpFactorZ]

Actually, if you assume Sulu's line "He just jumped 30m!" refers to the gap in the saucer

Or if you assume Sulu knows what he's talking about and/or isn't just eyeballing the distance without really measuring it.

E.g. "He just jumped, like, thirty meters!"

They were using sensors to locate him, not eyeballed guesstimates.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

Actually, if you assume Sulu's line "He just jumped 30m!" refers to the gap in the saucer

Or if you assume Sulu knows what he's talking about and/or isn't just eyeballing the distance without really measuring it.

E.g. "He just jumped, like, thirty meters!"

They were using sensors to locate him, not eyeballed guesstimates.

Were they using sensors to measure -- down to the centimeter -- the exact distance of his jump?

Better question: if you were tracking Khan though, say, the optics pod of a Predator drone, would you even be able to tell with any accuracy how far that jump really was?

 

[TorontoTrekker]

Well if what happens is a few fusion reactors creating a bubble which lightens the ship's mass causing it to have unprecedented rates of acceleration, what are the giant glowing red ports on the back of the saucer for?

Those are the impulse engines. Here is a blueprint - it's not the Abrams version, but I can't imagine that something like that would be any different. (I can't seem to find blueprints of the Abramsprise online.)

I don't know if increasing the mass of something in space causes deceleration per the theroy, maybe it does. Do suns slow their respective galactic speed as they go to red giants?

If they do slow down, it's not because they've gained mass - if anything, they've lost it. Some red giants - typically toward the end of their red giant phase - blow off the outer parts of their atmosphere.

Their rotation would slow down due to the conservation of angular momentum, but not their actual motion, unless they were acted upon by an outside gravitational force.

(Disclaimer: I'm not an astronomer or physicist - just an enthusiast. I do have a math degree, but with a very small number of exceptions, I haven't had to do any higher mathematics in a little over 20 years.)

 

[F. King Daniel]

^^I just visited EAS and LOL'd at this quote:

Seeing that the people in charge have lost perspective of ship sizes, we may decide that it all doesn't matter any longer, or we settle on a more reasonable size for the Enterprise. so we are dealing with a Vengeance of "only" some 750m and not one mile.

Translation: I don't like their bigger ships so I'm ignoring the movie and pulling this number out of my ass.

Actually, if you assume Sulu's line "He just jumped 30m!" refers to the gap in the saucer, then the ship's length is coincidentally about 750m.

I think people will be shocked when the new official numbers come out on the BluRay extras.

I think I'd really like it if that argument didn't keep getting raised outside of the thread expressly provided for the purpose.

A thread where I am still patiently awaiting a reply from WarpFactorZ.

 

[Mountie1988]

^^I just visited EAS and LOL'd at this quote:

Seeing that the people in charge have lost perspective of ship sizes, we may decide that it all doesn't matter any longer, or we settle on a more reasonable size for the Enterprise. so we are dealing with a Vengeance of "only" some 750m and not one mile.

Translation: I don't like their bigger ships so I'm ignoring the movie and pulling this number out of my ass.

Ex Astris Scientia is a perfect example for all what is wrong with today's fandom. See here http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/new_enterprise_comment.htm#size

Spent too much time playing Starfleet Battles and know mistrusting anything that does not look like a kitbash

 

[starburst]

I didnt have a problem with the Enterprise underwater, I was more concerned about the tall drop into the ocean and the swim to the Enterprise... sturdy fellas in the 23rd Century!

Werent Aqua shuttles featured in an episode of TAS? I actually like to think that the Shuttle could be rigged to run for a short time underwater just like the Puddle Jumpers in Stargate Atlantis.

 

[newtontomato539]

Well, I like the Star Fleet Universe: Prime Directive RPG and I'm not like that.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

Or if you assume Sulu knows what he's talking about and/or isn't just eyeballing the distance without really measuring it.

E.g. "He just jumped, like, thirty meters!"

They were using sensors to locate him, not eyeballed guesstimates.

Were they using sensors to measure -- down to the centimeter -- the exact distance of his jump?

Better question: if you were tracking Khan though, say, the optics pod of a Predator drone, would you even be able to tell with any accuracy how far that jump really was?

If we're expected to believe the Narada was scanned to the degree that technology advanced by leaps and bounds, then I'm sure measuring (and displaying) the position of a person they're tracking is quite doable.

 

[throwback]

I read that the jump by Kirk and McCoy would have severely injured them or killed them. They would have either landed into the rocks, or they would jumped into the equivalent of a liquid concrete. That is real world realism.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

They were using sensors to locate him, not eyeballed guesstimates.

Were they using sensors to measure -- down to the centimeter -- the exact distance of his jump?

Better question: if you were tracking Khan though, say, the optics pod of a Predator drone, would you even be able to tell with any accuracy how far that jump really was?

If we're expected to believe the Narada was scanned to the degree that technology advanced by leaps and bounds...

Considering they didn't actually build their own Narada, this point is irrelevant. Do you need to know down to the exact meter how big the Narada is to know that it's freaking huge?

I'm sure measuring (and displaying) the position of a person they're tracking is quite doable.

Sure. But that's a far cry from measuring the exact distance of his jump. If they could track Khan that accurately they would have been able to beam him up without Spock having to chase him across the city.

 

[shapeshifter]

I read that the jump by Kirk and McCoy would have severely injured them or killed them. They would have either landed into the rocks, or they would jumped into the equivalent of a liquid concrete. That is real world realism.

Do we know for sure gravity on Nibiru equals force enough to make a fall from that height lethal?

Memory Alpha says Nibiru is class M (though I don't recall that being stated in the film,?) One aspect of a class M planet though...

The gravity on these worlds was Earth normal. The gravity might be slightly less or slightly more. (TOS: "The Cage"; TAS: "The Eye of the Beholder")

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Class_M

 

[SonicRanger]

I read that the jump by Kirk and McCoy would have severely injured them or killed them. They would have either landed into the rocks, or they would jumped into the equivalent of a liquid concrete. That is real world realism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uHkyMh9FW4

 

[ATimson]

Memory Alpha says Nibiru is class M (though I don't recall that being stated in the film,?)

I'm pretty sure that was in the caption giving the planet's name.

 

[shapeshifter]

Memory Alpha says Nibiru is class M (though I don't recall that being stated in the film,?)

I'm pretty sure that was in the caption giving the planet's name.

Ah yes, of course. Thank you.

 

[Squiggy]

Yeah, the worst part is the way it flew through the air in the same way it would in space, it should have had massive amounts of thrust coming from the thrusters with big plumes of smoke and it should have gone up more vertically aiming itself up to space as it goes. I know we saw voyager fly through San Francisco bay in the same way, but that's a much smaller ship (apparently) and a few hundred years in the future.

You're applying the laws of physics to a machine designed to break the laws of physics.

 

[publiusr]

At least we know how it lifted off in the original, and what that would have looked like.