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Why was it so vital that "Generations" be a "bridge" movie.

I remember looking up at the TV in my local coffee shop one morning, and being surprised to see Michael Dorn as a police detective in some kind of police proecedural. But I don't for the life of me know what the show was called (I don't even know if he was just a guest spot or a regular).
 
I wish I knew more about it. But the scene he was in, it was clearly a city police department. I'm not even sure if it was an ongoing series, a movie of the week, or what. But it was one of those gotcha moments for me: "Hey, I know that voice!" :D
 
When Smallville was around, there were genuinely fans of the show who had no idea that it was a Superman prequel, who didn't recognize the name Clark Kent as being associated with Superman. They just watched it because it was Dawson's Creek with superpowers.


Sorry, I just can't believe that. Superman has been in the public consciousness since the 1930s, and Smallville itself was touted as the beginnings of the legend even before the show started. What you're suggesting certainly can't be true (at least not for "fans" of the show).

Depends. My niece watched SMALLVILLE religiously, but knew next to nothing about the original comics. Granted, she understood that SMALLVILLE was somehow connected to Superman, but she'd never read the comics, seen the previous movies or TV shows, etc. Names like "Jimmy Olsen" or "Jor-El" meant nothing to her. She watched the show because she was caught up in the saga of Clark and Lana and Chloe and the rest. Did she know the name "Clark Kent" before then? Possibly, but I doubt it.

She was a SMALLVILLE fan, not a Superman fan.

And I suspect she wasn't alone in that respect . . .
 
Be careful. That a particular actor or actress landed a role on Star Trek doesn't mean they'd have been collecting food stamps had said role not been offered to them. As it stands, I'm fine with the way Kirk's appearance in Generations was handled. I'd have actually preferred a film that didn't include him at all, but that may have affected the film's ability to draw in non-Trek audiences.

--Sran

You're right. I can't say with total authority that the cast members might not have found another successful role at some point. I'm just going with what the odds would say. Stewart was a successful stage actor, so odds are he'd have been fine. I guess LeVar Burton was known for "Reading Rainbow"

These are understatements. Patrick Stewart was not only a respected 20-year veteran of the Royal Shakespeare Company at that point, but he had an active movie career as well, with significant roles in films like Dune and Lifeforce.

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At Patrick Stewart's first convention appearance ever(Star Fest, the [then spring, now only] Star Trek convention in Denver, CO), he told the audience that at the time of his casting as Picard, he had only appeared in four films and had no other TV experience. "Of course," he said, "three of those films were Excalibur, Lifeforce and Dune." The fourth was Lady Jane, where he played the Duke of Suffolk, father-in-law of Lady Jane Grey, The Nine Days Queen.

So his film career at that point wasn't so active or significant, really. Not even by his accounting.
 
Be careful. That a particular actor or actress landed a role on Star Trek doesn't mean they'd have been collecting food stamps had said role not been offered to them. As it stands, I'm fine with the way Kirk's appearance in Generations was handled. I'd have actually preferred a film that didn't include him at all, but that may have affected the film's ability to draw in non-Trek audiences.

--Sran

You're right. I can't say with total authority that the cast members might not have found another successful role at some point. I'm just going with what the odds would say. Stewart was a successful stage actor, so odds are he'd have been fine. I guess LeVar Burton was known for "Reading Rainbow"

These are understatements. Patrick Stewart was not only a respected 20-year veteran of the Royal Shakespeare Company at that point, but he had an active movie career as well, with significant roles in films like Dune and Lifeforce. LeVar Burton was already famous from Roots long before Reading Rainbow came along; indeed, he was arguably the most famous cast member pre-TNG, at least for American audiences. Brent Spiner was an active stage and screen performer; he'd been part of the original Broadway cast of Sunday in the Park with George, and he had a recurring role on Night Court at the time he was cast in TNG. (In fact, his character on that show, Bob Wheeler, had been set up in a semi-regular role at the end of the '86-'87 season, and then disappeared without explanation once Spiner got the TNG gig.) Jonathan Frakes was a busy TV actor at the time, having a prominent role in the miniseries North and South and recurring appearances in various other shows (including Terry Farrell's first series, Paper Dolls).

Crap I forgot about Burton in Roots......Good call on that one.

Look I'm not saying that had it not been for TNG all these actors would have ended up in the breadline and could have never made it in the industry. Like I said for all I know Frakes could have auditioned for the role of Dr. Ross in ER and beaten George Clooney in there had never been TNG.

Yes I'm also aware they had worked in various ways in the industry before TNG.

But the fact remains if TNG never happens the odds of them finding such a successful and lucurative role were pretty damn long. Not because they're lousy actors who couldn't have anything else. But because the number of career defining roles vs. the number of actors who are wanting those is pretty low.

And the work they did before TNG.....That kind of work can dry up pretty fast in many cases.
 
Frakes in Clooneys ER role leads to Frakes in Dusk Till Dawn to Frakes as Batman to Frakes in Oceans, Gravity etc etc etc
 
When Smallville was around, there were genuinely fans of the show who had no idea that it was a Superman prequel, who didn't recognize the name Clark Kent as being associated with Superman. They just watched it because it was Dawson's Creek with superpowers.


Sorry, I just can't believe that. Superman has been in the public consciousness since the 1930s, and Smallville itself was touted as the beginnings of the legend even before the show started. What you're suggesting certainly can't be true (at least not for "fans" of the show).

Depends. My niece watched SMALLVILLE religiously, but knew next to nothing about the original comics. Granted, she understood that SMALLVILLE was somehow connected to Superman, but she'd never read the comics, seen the previous movies or TV shows, etc. Names like "Jimmy Olsen" or "Jor-El" meant nothing to her. She watched the show because she was caught up in the saga of Clark and Lana and Chloe and the rest. Did she know the name "Clark Kent" before then? Possibly, but I doubt it.

She was a SMALLVILLE fan, not a Superman fan.

And I suspect she wasn't alone in that respect . . .

My wife knew the name Clark Kent, but the title of the show didn't mean anything because she didn't know Clark Kent was from Smallville. Of course, I educated her before she started watching.
 
At Patrick Stewart's first convention appearance ever(Star Fest, the [then spring, now only] Star Trek convention in Denver, CO), he told the audience that at the time of his casting as Picard, he had only appeared in four films and had no other TV experience. "Of course," he said, "three of those films were Excalibur, Lifeforce and Dune." The fourth was Lady Jane, where he played the Duke of Suffolk, father-in-law of Lady Jane Grey, The Nine Days Queen.

So his film career at that point wasn't so active or significant, really. Not even by his accounting.

But that doesn't mean it wouldn't have been if TNG hadn't existed. I mean, he's one of the great actors of our generation. If he'd pursued a film career, do you really imagine for a moment that he wouldn't have been able to make a name for himself? He's Patrick freaking Stewart. TNG didn't make him a success, he made it a success. He would've done the same for whatever else he pursued in its place.
 
Sorry, I just can't believe that. Superman has been in the public consciousness since the 1930s, and Smallville itself was touted as the beginnings of the legend even before the show started. What you're suggesting certainly can't be true (at least not for "fans" of the show).

Depends. My niece watched SMALLVILLE religiously, but knew next to nothing about the original comics. Granted, she understood that SMALLVILLE was somehow connected to Superman, but she'd never read the comics, seen the previous movies or TV shows, etc. Names like "Jimmy Olsen" or "Jor-El" meant nothing to her. She watched the show because she was caught up in the saga of Clark and Lana and Chloe and the rest. Did she know the name "Clark Kent" before then? Possibly, but I doubt it.

She was a SMALLVILLE fan, not a Superman fan.

And I suspect she wasn't alone in that respect . . .

My wife knew the name Clark Kent, but the title of the show didn't mean anything because she didn't know Clark Kent was from Smallville. Of course, I educated her before she started watching.

I swear to God, my mother thought it was a show about midgets. "What's that show you like? Little People?"

"I think you mean Smallville, Mom."
 
Hindsight has never been 50/50. It however has been known to be 20/20 on occasion.

Sports fans here? I thought this was a tip of the hat to Cam Newton saying hindsight being 50/50 in one interview and then he said 20/20 in another one....hmmmm. But that's kind of like people saying I could care less when they mean I couldn't care less. :)
 
Hindsight has never been 50/50. It however has been known to be 20/20 on occasion.

Sports fans here? I thought this was a tip of the hat to Cam Newton saying hindsight being 50/50 in one interview and then he said 20/20 in another one....hmmmm. But that's kind of like people saying I could care less when they mean I couldn't care less. :)

No that was just a sign of my middle aged brain becoming dumber and dumber in part because of age and in part because I think parts of it are shutting down to preserve my sanity with all the crap I hear on a regular basis.
 
At Patrick Stewart's first convention appearance ever(Star Fest, the [then spring, now only] Star Trek convention in Denver, CO), he told the audience that at the time of his casting as Picard, he had only appeared in four films and had no other TV experience. "Of course," he said, "three of those films were Excalibur, Lifeforce and Dune." The fourth was Lady Jane, where he played the Duke of Suffolk, father-in-law of Lady Jane Grey, The Nine Days Queen.

So his film career at that point wasn't so active or significant, really. Not even by his accounting.

But that doesn't mean it wouldn't have been if TNG hadn't existed. I mean, he's one of the great actors of our generation. If he'd pursued a film career, do you really imagine for a moment that he wouldn't have been able to make a name for himself? He's Patrick freaking Stewart. TNG didn't make him a success, he made it a success. He would've done the same for whatever else he pursued in its place.

I wasn't saying he wouldn't have made a name for himself. As I quoted him saying, three of his first four films were Excalibur, Lifeforce and Dune. Short as it is, that's quite a credit list, even for a man just short of fifty(Crap! I'm older than that now!) With that kind of experience, along with his decades of experience on stage, the world was essentially his oyster. He just happened to have auditioned for the role of Picard at an opportune time, and got cast.
 
Personal opinions notwithstanding, they all made money. And that is primarily what he was talking about. They were big boxoffice, and he was in them all.
 
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