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Why was it necessary to stop Soran?

Xerxes1979

Xerxes1979

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Had he not kidknapped Geordi what the was rationale for pursuing him?

He stole trilithium not from the Federation, but rather the Romulans. If the Armagossa system was in Federation space would not the more pressing matter be the presence of Romulan vessels inside Federation territory?

Going after him for criminal prosecution seems strange since his ultimate goal was suicide/relocation to another dimension and incarceration would not break the Nexus affect on his personality/brain.

Does the Federation have a mandate to stop the unnatural extinction of species? Because at least twice during TNG Picard was okay with natural extinction.

The Duras sisters are major and legitimate members of the Klingon political opposition. If they were really outlaws would they have visited DS9?

Interfering with their actions arguably would be a violation of the Prime Directive, unless of course Veridian III was inside Federation territory. Was it?
 
What does his goals/aims have in relation as to why he shouldn't be chased for criminal acts?

Deep Space Nine is technically a Bajoran station, and the Duras sisters visited it very early on perhaps if they had visited it later they would have been arrested on the spot, due to some treaty.
 
^Because apprehending him would likely involve armed combat with the Duras. The Enterprise-D also had civilians onboard. Up to that point he had only committed property crimes and minor assault. Was pursuit justified?

Guinan directly told Picard that his WMD was for personal use, there was no threat to Federation security.


Back to my original heading. Why was it necessary to pursue Soran? Think out the chain of events.
 
It was because Veridian IV was populated and they would have been destroyed. The intent of the Prime Directive is to protect the self-determination of primitive cultures. It does not mean they allow the genocide of an entire world under the guise of non-interference.
 
Xerxes1979 said:
Back to my original heading. Why was it necessary to pursue Soran? Think out the chain of events.
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No offense, but this sounds suspiciously like one of those "try to prove me wrong and I'll just come back with why you're wrong" posts. If you're seriously interested in having your question answered that's one thing, but if all you want to do is shoot our answers down, then there's little point here.
 
That only works while inside Federation space. Janeway disobeyed the Prime Directive when she attempted to alter the Malon space pollution culture.

You can't force the Prime Directive on a third party it could lead to unforeseen consequences like interstellar war.
 
Dukhat said:
Xerxes1979 said:
Back to my original heading. Why was it necessary to pursue Soran? Think out the chain of events.
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No offense, but this sounds suspiciously like one of those "try to prove me wrong and I'll just come back with why you're wrong" posts. If you're seriously interested in having your question answered that's one thing, but if all you want to do is shoot our answers down, then there's little point here.
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You are incorrect sir. I want to pick apart Generations in areas that don't involve temporal paradoxes or the Nexus. This is one such area, the law and Soran. Do you believe that Generations has exhausted all topics of conservation?

Its is lawful in a liberal democracy to prevent people from certain realms of science? Does the danger of said individual outway the costs of apprehension and are his actions compatible with Federation foreign policy?


We can have another conservation on Generations if you don't like the way it is worded.
 
Xerxes1979 said:
^Because apprehending him would likely involve armed combat with the Duras. The Enterprise-D also had civilians onboard. Up to that point he had only committed property crimes and minor assault. Was pursuit justified?

Guinan directly told Picard that his WMD was for personal use, there was no threat to Federation security.


Back to my original heading. Why was it necessary to pursue Soran? Think out the chain of events.
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Should I list the times the Enterprise went into combat with civillians onboard?

One of the myriad of duties Starfleet does is Police Action, in TOS we see the Enterprise chasing ships that have been stolen, ships that didn't have an identification beacon etc...

So chasing for petty property crime and minor assult as you put it seem well within the remit of Starfleet.
 
Xerxes1979 said:
You are incorrect sir. I want to pick apart Generations in areas that don't involve temporal paradoxes or the Nexus. This is one such area, the law and Soran. Do you believe that Generations has exhausted all topics of conservation?
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This has nothing to do with the topic of the conversation. It has to do with what I perceived as your motive behind the conversation.
 
Dukhat said:
Xerxes1979 said:
You are incorrect sir. I want to pick apart Generations in areas that don't involve temporal paradoxes or the Nexus. This is one such area, the law and Soran. Do you believe that Generations has exhausted all topics of conservation?
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This has nothing to do with the topic of the conversation. It has to do with what I perceived as your motive behind the conversation.
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You haven't mentioned the movie(or Star Trek) in any of your posts. You are just posting to garner recognition as a critic of human nature. I have read and enjoyed the responses to this topic, so I would hardly say that the structure of the topic makes it impossible to have conversation.
 
I see no enjoyment. I just see other people's responses being shot down on your end. Unless of course that's the enjoyment you are referring to. Either way, I'm done here.
 
Xerxes1979 said:
The Duras sisters are major and legitimate members of the Klingon political opposition. If they were really outlaws would they have visited DS9?
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I would say you are at best half right in that the Duras are major members of a faction which doesn't support Gowron.

As for legitimate, I suspect given their collaboration with the Romulans (who many Klingons view as being treacherous and without honour due to events such as Narendra III and Khitomer) they are considered renegades.
 
Xerxes1979 said:
Had he not kidknapped Geordi what the was rationale for pursuing him?

He stole trilithium not from the Federation, but rather the Romulans. If the Armagossa system was in Federation space would not the more pressing matter be the presence of Romulan vessels inside Federation territory?

Going after him for criminal prosecution seems strange since his ultimate goal was suicide/relocation to another dimension and incarceration would not break the Nexus affect on his personality/brain.

Does the Federation have a mandate to stop the unnatural extinction of species? Because at least twice during TNG Picard was okay with natural extinction.

The Duras sisters are major and legitimate members of the Klingon political opposition. If they were really outlaws would they have visited DS9?

Interfering with their actions arguably would be a violation of the Prime Directive, unless of course Veridian III was inside Federation territory. Was it?
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- Soren used Federation and Klingon resources to steal from the Romulans, resulting in them attacking a Federation outpost and killing Federation citizens. He caused an ongoing threat to Federation security.

- Soren was conducting illegal experiments with a highly toxic and explosive material that posed a clear and present danger to others.

- Soren was a Federation citizen on a Federation outpost in a Federation navigated sector (whether they controlled the region is unclear, but they visited it with multiple ships and outposts) using Federation technology (the labs and torpedoes, though not the warheads) for his experiments who attacked and kidnapped Federation personnel.

- The Prime Directive prohibits involvement in preventing natural/self-made disasters on pre-warp worlds and interference in foreign internal disputes (with occasional exceptions), not a Federation citizen killing hundreds of millions of people with a WMD.

- The destruction of the Amargosa Star represented a navigational and radiation hazard to nearby ships and systems, and any further disasters would do the same.

So they had both the jurisdiction and the responsibility to go after Soren.
 
It's just one star out of billions who is going to miss it? ;)

But perhaps the OP will enlighten us what he means by petty crimes by listing them.
 
Reviewing the transcript the Armagossa observatory is directly stated to be "Federation" by Riker. If that is true there is no question of the Enterprise's actions.

I had toyed with idea of civilian Soran being free to destroy stars outside Federation space since his only transgressions were against the Romulans. Trilithium was described experimental not banned.
 
I suspect that the power to destroy a star and thus potnetially end life in a solar system would be something the Federation would rather not have in the hands of someone like Soran.
 
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