Why the Aliens found Destiny so quickly...

[ngc7293]

This is after seeing the Sabatoge ep.

I was wondering how the Aliens found things so quickly. Then it hit me that Cloe has never been searched for an implant. Rush said he had one, but it makes sense that Cloe would have one since she was on the same ship he was on.

I have not read all the threads here but I have not seen a topic that implies such a thing.

Has this been talked about on the show and I just missed it?
Has it been talked about in a topic somewhere and I missed it.
Do people really not care if Cloe got an implant.

 

[gturner]

It was talked about on the show, and Rush made sure that Chloe didn't have an implant.

What I got from "Sabotage" is that one of the aliens stone-swapped with Lt. James. She, in the alien body, was held unconscious in a dark room, while the alien, in her body, was causing mischief like sabotaging one of the engines and plotting their position once they dropped out of hyperspace.

 

[ngc7293]

As they say in the cleaning business, "oops, missed a spot." I forgot about the blackout business and I don't remember the 'Rush explaining away Cloe' thing.

Thanks

 

[Checkmate]

The only thing that makes sense is that the trio somehow contacted the aliens (probably inadvertently when they pulled up the map in the crashed ship and mapped the path to where they ended up) and made some kind of deal with them. It was just way too convenient for them to simultaneously sabotage the ship and then have the trio instantly -- there was very little time between dropping out of FTL and the gate dialing -- showing up.

Then, not long thereafter, when they dialed back and (against Eli's wishes) sent a Kino through, there were two ships parked comfortably and waiting patiently... for what exactly?

I mean, once the trio learned that they were stranded, would they really have just stood by the gate hoping beyond hope that it would activate again after hours if not days of waiting? Or would they have left to scout out the area and try to set up some kind of camp, gather supplies, and everything else?

Way too suspicious for it to be ignored.

 

[Chris3123]

The only thing that makes sense is that the trio somehow contacted the aliens (probably inadvertently when they pulled up the map in the crashed ship and mapped the path to where they ended up) and made some kind of deal with them.

Actually, that doesn't make sense at all. Why would they make a deal with the alien race that wanted to take Destiny, a race that wouldn't mind seeing them all dead? They'd sooner die than do so. And on top of that lie about it to everybody (Chloe said they assumed the Destiny crew found a way for them to be able to dial the ship).

It was just way too convenient for them to simultaneously sabotage the ship and then have the trio instantly -- there was very little time between dropping out of FTL and the gate dialing -- showing up.

How is it "too convenient" that they dial the ship as soon as they find out they are able to? Why on earth would they wait to get back? "Oh look, we can dial Destiny again! I thought we were stuck here forever! Eh, let's wait a while before going back. No rush."

Then, not long thereafter, when they dialed back and (against Eli's wishes) sent a Kino through, there were two ships parked comfortably and waiting patiently... for what exactly?

The aliens found the remains of a recently occupied human camp near the stargate. Not much of a stretch that they'd want to stick around. The aliens could have easily just missed them.

I mean, once the trio learned that they were stranded, would they really have just stood by the gate hoping beyond hope that it would activate again after hours if not days of waiting? Or would they have left to scout out the area and try to set up some kind of camp, gather supplies, and everything else?

Why not both? A camp was mentioned, and it makes sense that they'd stay near the gate, just in case. And sure enough, Destiny's address pops up on Eli's pad, and they dial the ship.

Way too suspicious for it to be ignored.

Only the fact that the aliens were by the stargate so soon after the three gated to Destiny can really be considered suspicious. And even that could just be a coincidence. Last-minute escapes and rescues are hardly a new thing for Stargate.

 

[Checkmate]

Why not? Because it all happened too fucking fast.

All three of them just happened to be right on top of the stargate as soon as it dropped out of FTL? Why wasn't anyone out gathering food or water? Or taking a bath? Or patrolling the area? Or performing any other activity that stranded people would be performing? But no, they were right at the gate, all packed up and ready to go.

Why were the aliens comfortably parked there moments later? How or why did they find that particular stargate so quickly when, as we clearly saw last week, they never seemed to bother with any of the other gates the Destiny had been in range of when she stopped? Why would they just be parked there? What exactly were they waiting for?

Why was Eli so annoyed by the act of sending a Kino back, especially if it was, in fact, standard operating procedures since they've been onboard? Which translates to "we do this every time we go back to a planet, even when gathering supplies." Which, in turn, means he's done it several times before. And considering it only takes a moment, why would he be annoyed by the idea anyway? It's not like he wouldn't send one through normally even if it wasn't the normal procedure. He's a Kino freak.

Why were all three of them so passe about getting back? There was a "hey, we made it back!" bit, but then it was business as usual. I don't know about you, but if *I* thought I was stranded forever, I'd be way more freaked out about everything that happened. Both positively and negatively. I wouldn't be just "hey guys, how's it going?" and then go about my normal routine.

Dismiss all of that if you want to. But I'm sure as fuck not going to.

 

[Chris3123]

Why not? Because it all happened too fucking fast.

All three of them just happened to be right on top of the stargate as soon as it dropped out of FTL? Why wasn't anyone out gathering food or water? Or taking a bath? Or patrolling the area? Or performing any other activity that stranded people would be performing? But no, they were right at the gate, all packed up and ready to go.

Who said they haven't started doing those things? Just because they have doesn't mean the three wouldn't ever be at camp together.

Why were the aliens comfortably parked there moments later?

How do you know they were there just moments later? A good bit of time had passed in between the trio gating to Destiny and them sending the Kino back. It could have easily been a few hours, given what had transpired on Destiny in that time. There was no way to tell how long they'd been waiting there. They could have arrived just minutes before they sent the Kino, for all we know.

How or why did they find that particular stargate so quickly when, as we clearly saw last week, they never seemed to bother with any of the other gates the Destiny had been in range of when she stopped?

I'm not a writer for the show, so I can't tell you.

Why would they just be parked there? What exactly were they waiting for?

The humans, maybe? The aliens knew they were there recently, if for no other reason because they found the camp. And since they knew the ship was adrift due to their sabotage, they probably figured the humans would consider evacuating to the planet.

Why was Eli so annoyed by the act of sending a Kino back, especially if it was, in fact, standard operating procedures since they've been onboard? Which translates to "we do this every time we go back to a planet, even when gathering supplies." Which, in turn, means he's done it several times before. And considering it only takes a moment, why would he be annoyed by the idea anyway? It's not like he wouldn't send one through normally even if it wasn't the normal procedure. He's a Kino freak.

I saw it as being done for dramatic effect. Remember, he does whatever the script says, not necessarily what would make sense. Though I admit it does seem a bit fishy now that you explained it more.

Why were all three of them so passe about getting back? There was a "hey, we made it back!" bit, but then it was business as usual. I don't know about you, but if *I* thought I was stranded forever, I'd be way more freaked out about everything that happened. Both positively and negatively. I wouldn't be just "hey guys, how's it going?" and then go about my normal routine.

I agree their reaction is unusual. But you're assuming that fictional characters must react like real people would. That's wishful thinking. They only say what the script tells them to say, not necessarily what makes sense.

Dismiss all of that if you want to.

I don't see much concrete stuff to dismiss. Crazy coincidences, unrealistic dialogue and actions occurring without any good explanation are just par for the course for shows like Stargate.

But I'm sure as fuck not going to.

No one is saying you should.

 

[propita]

Someone posted in another thread that, basically, Eli & Co used the abandoned alien ship's maps and Chloe's map-reading skills to plot where Destiny would be, then gated to the nearest location, in hopes of catching up. Why stay there when they know it's too far from Destiny anyway? Might as well get as close as possible. When Destiny dropped out of FTL, it reappeared on Eli's remote and they were able to gate to it.

So the alien takeover of James allowed the damaged portion of the ship to be taken offline, increasing efficiency and allowing escape, and allowed Eli & Co. to return in a manner than makes some sense. Or could make some sense.

So are these aliens going to find the humans who stayed behind?

 

[cylkoth]

My theory is rather simple...The Terrific Trio left the blasted computer on-with the holo map up and running, when they left the alien pod. The Blue meanies just clicked the History tab, and saw what they looked up. The flight path Destiny was on, and the nearest gates along that trajectory.

Always clear your browser cache, especially when looking up sensitive material on someone else's pc.

 

[The Grim Ghost]

There is also the possibility that Eli, Chloe and Scott are being controlled by an outside force. Or are imposters.

Maybe unlikely, but something to consider.

Even if it isn't that, something strange was going on. The timing was just so weird, and Eli protesting against using the Kino..something rotten.

 

[The Wormhole]

A thought occurs. Rush said he checked Chole out and determined she did not have an implant. Forgive the immature direction this is going to take, but does this mean she stripped for him? Or at the very least, since his implant was in his chest, did she take her shirt off for him?

If Scott were to find out...

 

[Tom]

One thing I dont get is why can the gates only be controled by the remote device. In the Milkyway a DHD was provided. Did the ancients not want the various planet inhabidents using the gates at all, whereas in the milkyway they did?

 

[Checkmate]

Eh, I don't know why they think they need the remote. It's clear the gates themselves supply the power. It would just take a manual spinning of the ring to dial.

I think the big problem is that there's a grossly limited number of addresses within range of the equally limited power supply, so just randomly hitting one is unlikely. The remote simply gives you an easy way to dial and the available addresses.

What I don't get is why they can't extend the range of the Destiny's gate. They came damn close to dialing all the way back to Earth early on. Surely it would be trivial to channel enough juice to reach any of the gates in its current galaxy and probably enough for neighboring ones, too, as long as a star was nearby to siphon from.

 

[Brent]

One thing I dont get is why can the gates only be controled by the remote device. In the Milkyway a DHD was provided. Did the ancients not want the various planet inhabidents using the gates at all, whereas in the milkyway they did?

The gates were put there so they can explore the worlds, the Destiny was meant to be the dialer to those gates, with which then could then place DHDs on the planets once they established a network in that galaxy. Keep in mind that the gates are only in a straight line in each galaxy, they are not scattered all around the entire galaxy. We assume the Ancients would have put DHDs on the planets after they established a network of gates in the galaxy. The gates were just to get them to these galaxies and other planets to explore, they'd later followup with them. The gates were obviously not meant to be the final setup, just a means to get them there to let them explore.

 

[David cgc]

What I don't get is why they can't extend the range of the Destiny's gate. They came damn close to dialing all the way back to Earth early on. Surely it would be trivial to channel enough juice to reach any of the gates in its current galaxy and probably enough for neighboring ones, too, as long as a star was nearby to siphon from.

It might be a software safety. If Destiny's gate does have a greater range than the planetary gates thanks to having the ability to draw off the power of the entire ship, it might still limit you to being able to dial planets that can dial back.

I'm not sure, have there been any situations where it was pressing that Destiny dial a planet that was out of range, but it wouldn't be a dealbreaker that who or whatever they sent wouldn't be able to return. Though I suppose it might've been useful to dial back to the Planet of the Dog-Sized Spiders just to keep in radio contact with the stranded team so they could coordinate the rescue. Maybe Rush just wasn't up to that degree of lateral thinking in light of his recent brain experience.

 

[Brikar99]

One thing I dont get is why can the gates only be controled by the remote device. In the Milkyway a DHD was provided. Did the ancients not want the various planet inhabidents using the gates at all, whereas in the milkyway they did?

The gates were put there so they can explore the worlds, the Destiny was meant to be the dialer to those gates, with which then could then place DHDs on the planets once they established a network in that galaxy. Keep in mind that the gates are only in a straight line in each galaxy, they are not scattered all around the entire galaxy. We assume the Ancients would have put DHDs on the planets after they established a network of gates in the galaxy. The gates were just to get them to these galaxies and other planets to explore, they'd later followup with them. The gates were obviously not meant to be the final setup, just a means to get them there to let them explore.

Can this also lead to the assumption that Destiny doesn't have any transporter technology?

 

[Brent]

One thing I dont get is why can the gates only be controled by the remote device. In the Milkyway a DHD was provided. Did the ancients not want the various planet inhabidents using the gates at all, whereas in the milkyway they did?

The gates were put there so they can explore the worlds, the Destiny was meant to be the dialer to those gates, with which then could then place DHDs on the planets once they established a network in that galaxy. Keep in mind that the gates are only in a straight line in each galaxy, they are not scattered all around the entire galaxy. We assume the Ancients would have put DHDs on the planets after they established a network of gates in the galaxy. The gates were just to get them to these galaxies and other planets to explore, they'd later followup with them. The gates were obviously not meant to be the final setup, just a means to get them there to let them explore.

Can this also lead to the assumption that Destiny doesn't have any transporter technology?

Since it predates everything we've seen from the Ancients, yes. However, we know they invented Ring Transporters, and we know the base in Antarctica has one, and the Stargate there was said to have been millions of years old. So far we haven't seen any signs that there are transporters of any kind on Destiny, it has a couple of shuttles, so it seems this predates all Ancient transporter technology as well.