Why Star Trek Is Important

Discussion in 'General Trek Discussion' started by Australis, Mar 10, 2013.

  1. Australis

    Australis Writer Admiral

    Mar 12, 2005

    I've always said Trek has a positive effect, and this is a great example.
  2. Finn

    Finn Vice Admiral Admiral

    Mar 30, 2006
    All because MLK Jr. told Nichelle to stay

    I chuckled when I saw the screenshot of Guinan they decided to use in the background.
  3. yousirname

    yousirname Commander Red Shirt

    Jan 30, 2013
    It's a nice story and all, but there's nothing much to it specific to Trek. Definitely shows how storytelling in general can be impactful, though.
  4. Arpy

    Arpy Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Apr 22, 2001
    Seriously, does anyone think Trek is nearly as progressive and inspiring as it has been?
  5. yousirname

    yousirname Commander Red Shirt

    Jan 30, 2013
    I tend to think its progressiveness, though real, has been and is overplayed somewhat. Consider The Cage's Number One versus Nurse Chapel, for instance - now what might that have been? Or Turnabout Intruder. And no gays in canon as yet, AFAIK - Frakes shouted down over having a male play Soren in The Outcast, Goldberg having to insist on changing her lines in The Offspring, Andrew Robinson told to stop playing Garak as gay, ditto Dominic Keating.

    Which isn't to say Trek's always shirked controversy - the much-vaunted Plato's Stepchildren, (which IIRC, in shooting order, wasn't even the first interracial kiss on Star Trek, never mind all TV), and Data's musings on the possible efficacy of terrorism in The High Ground. But I think a tendency to rest on past laurels has bred a degree of complacency where time and again, morally complex issues are foisted onto abjectly alien species to sugarcoat the intention - when audiences have by and large outgrown the need for such 'coding', except in some cases with regard to religious matters.

    As for 'inspiring', well, there were a lot fewer shows and a lot fewer channels back then. My guess is that it was easier to stand out. Just an opinion.
  6. teacake

    teacake Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Jan 20, 2007
    inside teacake
    Like those incredibly subtle dudes from Let That Be Your Last Battlefield.
  7. yousirname

    yousirname Commander Red Shirt

    Jan 30, 2013
    Well, yeah. I mean, obviously that's the least subtle example ever, but still. You know what I mean. And I'm referring mostly to later incarnations in any case.
  8. JirinPanthosa

    JirinPanthosa Vice Admiral Admiral

    Nov 20, 2012
    The show did seem to be progressive about broad issues but not progressive about specific, current issues. It said that humanity could come together and get past all of its current failings, but it was not bold enough to push controversial issues before they went mainstream. And when it did it addressed them in an obvious pedantic way, like that environmentalism episode or Stigma. These episodes came out in a time when a majority of the audience already agreed with them, didn't say anything new or unsafe, and usually turned out among the worst episodes in the series.

    It's probably best Star Trek didn't have a gay character though. I doubt any of those writers would have been able to write a gay characters and just have it be a part of his life rather than his entire life, and then every single time they did an episode about that character it'd be entirely about his sexual orientation. Especially on Voyager and Enterprise, any gay character would have had no other personality traits than 'The gay guy'.
  9. CorporalCaptain

    CorporalCaptain Admiral Admiral

    Feb 12, 2011
    Taking up space
    "As it has been" or "as it has been famously reputed to have been"?

    I'm not sure how "nearly" fits into any of this in an objectively quantifiable manner, either.

    Furthermore, Star Trek was inspiring to the degree of being historic, and that is objectively measurable, for example by considering the renaming of the Space Shuttle prototype, as just the first example that comes to mind.

    If your question were:

    "Was Star Trek as progressive as it has been famously reputed to have been?"​

    then, the answer would be, clearly:


    Good enough examples of its failing in that regard have already been provided in thread.
  10. yousirname

    yousirname Commander Red Shirt

    Jan 30, 2013
    I imagine if they'd sat down and said 'Let's write a gay dude' that's probably exactly what we'd have gotten, yeah. But from what I know, Andrew Robinson just showed up and started playing Garak that way unprompted. Imagine if they'd kept (what I assume to have been) their original plan for the character, and just rolled with Robinson's interpretation. That might even have been groundbreaking (I wouldn't really know, I'm no expert on TV history).