Well, I've been a server, and a bus boy, and a cook, and it's all shitty work.![]()
Well, I've been a server, and a bus boy, and a cook, and it's all shitty work.![]()
Amen.
I sorta liked being a bus boy. Great exercise, and nothing you had to mentally focus on, so you had tons of time to think but enough to do not to get too bored.
My last question would be, why not just expect 15% as the normal? Seems like that way you would be happier when you realize you've made 17% for the week, instead of being disappointed you didn't make 20%.
That's weird. I'd guess he probably did.I had to leave a ZERO tip written large across a receipt about 7 months ago. The waiter would actually walk away and not respond when asked a question. Another example, "What drink do you want?" Me, "Uhh.. I think I..." Waiter, "WHAT DRINK DO YOU WANT??" Once I said bring us our tab after appetizers and one drink he started being all ass-kissy. It's a friend's favorite local place and he's never seen that waiter in there again so I think he got fired.
I think you're assuming emotions that aren't there. I'm not disappointed when I get a 15% tip. I don't get angry. I move on and wait on the next table.So it looks like those that expect 20% are really only getting between 16-18% averaged out. Must conclude that your expectations are too high.
And I bet when you get $3 instead of $4 on your $20 tab you aren't actually thinking "ignorant cheap asshole I'm gonna put fecal matter in your food next time you come in." You might think that if you get a $1 on a $30 tab, but probably not for the 15% that actually seems to be the reasonable amount.
My last question would be, why not just expect 15% as the normal? Seems like that way you would be happier when you realize you've made 17% for the week, instead of being disappointed you didn't make 20%.
Anyway, had fun shooting the shit about this topic. No hard feelings I hope.
So it looks like those that expect 20% are really only getting between 16-18% averaged out. Must conclude that your expectations are too high.
And I bet when you get $3 instead of $4 on your $20 tab you aren't actually thinking "ignorant cheap asshole I'm gonna put fecal matter in your food next time you come in." You might think that if you get a $1 on a $30 tab, but probably not for the 15% that actually seems to be the reasonable amount.
My last question would be, why not just expect 15% as the normal? Seems like that way you would be happier when you realize you've made 17% for the week, instead of being disappointed you didn't make 20%.
I had to leave a ZERO tip written large across a receipt about 7 months ago. The waiter would actually walk away and not respond when asked a question. Another example, "What drink do you want?" Me, "Uhh.. I think I..." Waiter, "WHAT DRINK DO YOU WANT??" Once I said bring us our tab after appetizers and one drink he started being all ass-kissy. It's a friend's favorite local place and he's never seen that waiter in there again so I think he got fired.
I really wouldn't have expected Americans to be so bitchy when it comes to something as trivial as tipping.
Well, I would never think about putting fecal matter in food.
Alidar Jarok said:I think part of it is economic reality.
So if they're willing to budge to 18%, I think of it as a fair concession.
Alidar Jarok said:While I wouldn't give zero tip unless the service was essentially non-existent...
Sounds to me like you guys EXPECT 20% as the minimal threshold, yet you don't ever achieve that. Your expectations are too high.
I really wouldn't have expected Americans to be so bitchy when it comes to something as trivial as tipping.
It's hardly trivial for the people working for tips. Tips are their livelihood.
I really wouldn't have expected Americans to be so bitchy when it comes to something as trivial as tipping.
It's hardly trivial for the people working for tips. Tips are their livelihood.
I meant the customer side.
RoJoHen said:Sounds to me like you're not listening, as we've already explained that this isn't the case.
Alidar Jarok said:I think part of it is economic reality.
So if they're willing to budge to 18%, I think of it as a fair concession.
Economic reality? Like the recession we are in right now? Do you ever consider that maybe your customer's wages are less and perhaps they are trying to save money... so instead of 20% tips they are throwing down 15%?
Sounds to me like you guys EXPECT 20% as the minimal threshold, yet you don't ever achieve that. Your expectations are too high.
Alidar Jarok said:While I wouldn't give zero tip unless the service was essentially non-existent...
I was about to ask the guy what the fuck his problem was. The service was that rude.
It really was the worst service I've ever had in my life.
If you can't afford to tip fully for good service, you shouldn't be eating at a restaurant. Order fast food, takeout, or make your own food.
Alidar Jarok said:I don't expect 20%. I said if service is satisfactory, 20% should be considered. In other words, if service is bad, give less. But 20% should be the norm for good service.
Going to the movies is entertainment, too. So is going on vacation. If you can't afford those things, you don't do them. Tipping is a part of the cost of dining in a restaurant and being waited on. If you can't afford to do it properly, don't go out to dinner at those restaurants.Again, you aren't being realistic.
Going somewhere to eat is fun and entertainment. A busy family of four may want to go out to eat sometime to escape and not have to cook and clean up after a busy day.
What's crazy is implying that they can't afford to eat at a restaurant because they tip 15% instead of 20%.
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