Why not just use the pilot design?

[Vance]

You didn't hear? Uhura is a Cylon!

(Granted, NuBSG rules applying, there -is- only one hot chick in the regular cast to choose from...)

 

[Blue_Ranger]

Oh please. You'll be here on opening night giving us excrutiating detail on why the movie sucked...

With due respect. You do not know me. And, if anything, you're steeling my resolve NOT to see this movie at all. To this day I have yet to see Nemesis, I have not watched any but two episodes of Enterprise, and anything much past the second season of Voyager.

This movie looks, right now, like crap to me. Why would I waste my time and money on it, particularly to pander my internet rage to a bunch of fellow geeks, when I can do something ELSE with my time? That makes no sense.

And yet you waste your time watching trailers, whining about the smallest details. So, no, I don't think you have anything better to do with your time. Oh the other hand, I am here discussing something I am very much looking forward to.

 

[3D Master]

I dunno... it doesn't look too bad to me at all:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v222/JuanBolio/TrekXIEnterpriseSketch1.png

...from Ancient.

I have to admit, while I didn't care for the original photo of the ship from two weeks ago, that actually looks fairly decent from that angle.

It looks even WORSE from this angle! Just look at the friggin' nacelles. Ugh, soooo ugly.

The only thing really wrong about the TOS design is that it lacks some details, the nacelle caps, and the dish. Each of which can be rather easily redone (and has been, indeed, in TOS-R)

There was more wrong with it than just that. As I said before, the Enterprise was a death trap if you look at how it is designed.

People have been looking at it for forty years. People recognize it as an old design that they've seen over and over. Time for something new, to get their attention.

This bullshit again.

Remember how you all went about, that the average people COULD NOT tell the difference? "It's the Enterprise." Or in short, THEY recognize it AS THAT OLD DESIGN! If you want YOUR theory at what the Enterprise should have been designed like, we'd have a triangle ship with square tubes underneath.

 

[Blue_Ranger]

I love the new ship. It's my desktop pic

 

[Devon]

It looks even WORSE from this angle! Just look at the friggin' nacelles. Ugh, soooo ugly.

Ughhh. I didn't think so. I think the nacelles look awesome personally. It wasn't even what I disliked about the original photo. But just MY opinion though.

 

[3D Master]

The original Ent design was very much a child of its era. It was cool then. Not so cool now.

No, actually, the original is rather timeless.

Look, the future is constantly changing. Back in the 1950s there was "a flying car in your future!" Hell, we've hardly got to smart houses yet! How we see the future constantly changes. Imagine trying to make Star Wars with the ship design from Destrination Moon.

You mean like those Naboo fighters pulled straight out of 1930s pulp SF?

Not completely sold on the new design, but like it a bit more than the Ent-A and possibly the Ent-E. Really, it isn't about any of thge ships. It's about the people, how they react, how they change things, the journey they take. All this obsessing on keeping the original design 'pure' is fanboi wankery of the highest order.

Talk to someone who isn't a fan, show them the old and new ship, ask which they'd rather watch. Any successful series, movie or TV, has to be able to appeal to a wide range and add new fans.

Do you know what, I'll bet you ten bucks, that if Vektor's redesign was animated, and they put the new ship next to it animated, virtually all of them will say the original looks a 1000 times better.

If it puts butts in the seats, it's worth doing as far as the studio is concerned. If it doesn't work, it doesn't work - but don't imagine that there's some "higher good" to be served by producing droning, didactic and repetitious Trek stories that make the faithful feel smart in exchange for ten bucks and two passive hours in the dark.

Right, of course, because obviously if the new TOS movie done by a brand new creative team doesn't get a redesigned Enterprise, it will be done like the droning, didactic and repetitious Star Trek of Voyager and Enterprise.

I get it now! I totally see! The new movie needed a butt ugly flashy, kewl Enterprise! I'm sold.

It looks even WORSE from this angle! Just look at the friggin' nacelles. Ugh, soooo ugly.

Ughhh. I didn't think so. I think the nacelles look awesome personally. It wasn't even what I disliked about the original photo. But just MY opinion though.

Those ugly massively thick amputated stumps? Are you kidding me?

 

[Squiggy]

No, actually, the original is rather timeless.

To you...yes.

To me and millions more? Not so much.

 

[Devon]

Those ugly massively thick amputated stumps?

That isn't how I see them. But besides the point, I like them. You can spin any name you want on them to attempt to invalidate my opinion, but I like them. Simple. End of story.

 

[Captain Robert April]

Yeah! In fact, I think it's REALLY stupid that they don't have the ship hanging on a string. If we can't suspend our disbelief of cheap looking models hanging on a string, then let's boycott the other movie going audience. Yeah! Totally rad dude!

Do you have a frelling clue what you're blathering about?

 

[Captain X]

None of them do. They'll just keep making excuses to support their viewpoint, and it won't matter how many times you shoot those excuses down, or how well you do it, it will always come down to, "It's old! LOL!"

 

[Captain Robert April]

If Rick Sternbach's estimates are correct, here's the kind of size discrepancy we're looking at...

 

[Australis]

I'm not 100% sold on the nacelles, but I'm willing to wait and watch it in action for more than 2 seconds at a time.

Really, in the overall scheme, it's a minor, minor thing.

Trekker4747 said:

Again, if it takes flashy effects and neat-o retro designs to get people's attention their attention isn't worth having and if their attention is NOT going to be drawn because of an "old looking" design then, again, their attention isn't worth having.

I really, really, hope people are better and smarter than that; than to go/not go to a movie simply because of/lack of a nifty designed CGI starship in it.

Have you EVER thought that the old school design might put people off who would otherwise enjoy it, because they think they'll get warmed over Nemesis?

 

[Tom Servo]

None of them do. They'll just keep making excuses to support their viewpoint, and it won't matter how many times you shoot those excuses down, or how well you do it, it will always come down to, "It's old! LOL!"

And you all come up with your remarks about how stuff is "kewl" looking, therefore stupid, and that those who support this film, and like some of the changes they seen are some how idiots...

Its goes both ways. Don't talk down to us.

 

[Tom Servo]

If Rick Sternbach's estimates are correct, here's the kind of size discrepancy we're looking at...

I think you are scaling the BC deck of the original to the bridge of the new one. The smallest dome on top is not the bridge on the new ship I think.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

If Rick Sternbach's estimates are correct, here's the kind of size discrepancy we're looking at...

Are we supposed to be alarmed or impressed by this?

 

[JuanBolio]

If Rick Sternbach's estimates are correct, here's the kind of size discrepancy we're looking at...

Rick Sternbach's estimates are seemingly incorrect. Take a look at this shot from the trailer:

That's a person in the red circle. If you watch the trailer again, you can see him walking. Its about the same size as the original.

It looks even WORSE from this angle! Just look at the friggin' nacelles. Ugh, soooo ugly.

I disagree. I like this angle, and I like the nacelles.

 

[Gepard]

Are we supposed to be alarmed or impressed by this?

Quite. You know, how if Pluto were left a planet, the solar system might then have upwards of *GASP* 27 planets?

Like that.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Are we supposed to be alarmed or impressed by this?

Quite. You know, how if Pluto were left a planet, the solar system might then have upwards of *GASP* 27 planets?

Like that.

You know, the problem is that Abrams clearly intends for us to think that in a few years that ship will change into the ship from TOS. And he has therefore made a mistake of some kind.

 

[Captain Robert April]

You know, the problem is that Abrams clearly intends for us to think that in a few years that ship will change into the ship from TOS. And he has therefore made a mistake of some kind.

There may be hope for you yet, Mr. Bailey...

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Calling oneself "Captain" something or another doesn't actually make one an authority.