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Why not just use the pilot design?

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Trekker4747

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Sitting here near my desk is a tiny figurine of the TOS Enterprise it's the Hallmark ornament that was released a couple years ago. It sits on a little stand and if you press a button it lights up (supposed to, but this one is broken) and plays the TOS theme.

I sit here looking at this thing looking at a beautiful, iconic, design that is recognisable to any Joe on the street and is loved by near every Trek fan.

I mean, look at it:

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That's a beautiful ship!

Would it have been that bad to simply just use this design (The Cage version, of course) for this movie? Why make any drastic changes to it at all? Why not give fans the awe and wonder of seeing this timeless and classic ship on a 50-foot tall screen in all of its movie-level budget glory?

I don't want to hear "it looks too 60s/cheesy." Such comments are judging the ship on its 1960s level special effects. Anyone who's looked at the ship and seen the filming minature in all her glory in the Smithsonian can tell you this ship is a BEAUTY and would've looked glorious on screen.

Abrahms could've taken "some" liberty with her, sure. Maybe give the hull a bit more texture/"aztecking", made the interiror grills of the engines glow dimly blue, different effect inside the nacelles showing the "energies" inisde.

But to take this timeless and classic design, strip her down to the barest of components and to make a that mess that he made is just a smack in the face to all of us and, frankly, is pandering to the "base" by trying to just make a radical design that'll have people drooling over sleek lines and curves and Jetsonian modernish design rather than respecting a classic.

The talents of many of our 3D artists over in Trek Art time and time again have shown what this ship can look like with some "modern inspiration" and talent and hard work in a 3D program.

Hell, Gabe Koerner's Enterprise would've been a welcome version compared to what we're getting.

But, in the end, I think seeing the *real* Enterprise in all her glory from the Original Series would've been, well...

It would've brought a tear to me eye.
 
For the most part I agree with you. It is true that the oringinal design from the 60s wouldn't have worked on screen. That's why the ship was redesigned for TMP. However, sticking with the original design with maybe just adding textures and surface detail should have been doable, and wouldn't have required the "Alternate Timeline" excuse.

Hell, even if they wanted to do a redesign, you're right that Gabe Koerner's redesign would have been awesome. But, Abrams and Cohorts don't seem to have a sense of aesthetics for starship design.
 
As nice as it is, it doesn't have the look needed for 2008.

I think the designers of new version did a good job with the one we're getting in the new movie. They made it look fresh and new and young for a giant blockbuster for 2008.

I also commend them on using all that 1950's styling on the new one which lends credence to TOS's 1960's design.

They made the one we're getting in this movie look like it came before both the TOS tv version and the movie version.

And everyone wants to talk about GK's design. Ya, from an outsider;s POV it's a complete fanboy wank and it's hideous.
 
Koerner's design doesn't work any better. It actually looks more like something from Star Wars than the Abrams ship because of all the needless detail. At least this new ship maintains the same clean look as the original.
 
Koerner's design doesn't work any better. It actually looks more like something from Star Wars than the Abrams ship because of all the needless detail. At least this new ship maintains the same clean look as the original.

I think that it's manly because of the darker hull-colours he used.
 
Koerner's design doesn't work any better. It actually looks more like something from Star Wars than the Abrams ship because of all the needless detail. At least this new ship maintains the same clean look as the original.

I think that it's manly because of the darker hull-colours he used.

Well that, and how it looks completely utilitarian and lacks and kind of grace.

I wouldn't say that. The Koernerprise just looks a bit more ... robust.
 
Koerner's design doesn't work any better. It actually looks more like something from Star Wars than the Abrams ship because of all the needless detail. At least this new ship maintains the same clean look as the original.

Exactly. Koerner's ship wasn't the TOS or TMP Enterprise any more than Church's design is. In fact, it looks far worse -- Koerner's ship is twice as large, has extreme hull panelling and do-dads, an awful secondary hull with equally funky proportions, nacelles with moving warp coils, etc. The Koerner-prise looks like a warship, and it is not graceful in any sense, far less so than Church's.
 
I think the original enterprise is iconic - and you know what's it's use here would have signalled?

same old shit kids, like your daddy watched.


 
Koerner's design doesn't work any better. It actually looks more like something from Star Wars than the Abrams ship because of all the needless detail. At least this new ship maintains the same clean look as the original.

Exactly. Koerner's ship wasn't the TOS or TMP Enterprise any more than Church's design is. In fact, it looks far worse -- Koerner's ship is twice as large, has extreme hull panelling and do-dads, an awful secondary hull with equally funky proportions, nacelles with moving warp coils, etc. The Koerner-prise looks like a warship, and it is not graceful in any sense, far less so than Church's.

Yeah. Don't get me wrong; they're executed brilliantly. I just think it looks more like a Mirror Universe Enterprise or a 23rd century take on the original. It has too many geometric lines and is too harsh looking.
 
I think the reason has to do with the story. Plenty of people says the new design is simply updating to current expectations but I wonder about that. Lets consider what we know of the story (SPOILERS? AHEAD)




What repercussions could Nero destroying Vulcan have on Earths progression? Remember in the original time line its clearly stated Vulcan hinders Earths growth. Remove that hindrance and what do you get, a different Enterprise with tech far beyond what it was.

Much as I do not like the new ships design, if what I've theorized briefly here is true then that is an in story reason and explanation for the changes.
 
I believe the closer your get to keeping with the original designs people will be reminded of the 1960s. So they had to make it different enough so you could still recognize it as the TOS Enterprise but not think of the 1960s. So the good with the new Enterprise is that it is familiar and also modern.
 
I believe the closer your get to keeping with the original designs people will be reminded of the 1960s. So they had to make it different enough so you could still recognize it as the TOS Enterprise but not think of the 1960s. So the good with the new Enterprise is that it is familiar and also modern.

:techman:
 
I think the original enterprise is iconic - and you know what's it's use here would have signalled?

same old shit kids, like your daddy watched.


That's pretty much how I feel. It's not like the original Enterprise would look bad by today's standards (the interiors would, another story) it's just that it doesn't fit the movie's MO.

For better or worse, the message of this movie is "you should come see it precisely because it doesn't look like it used to!"

So if you don't like that, it's a judgment call, but I don't think you can argue with the reasoning behind changing it.
 
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