The only worthwhile sequels to "Mirror, Mirror" were the ones "Enterprise" did. DS9 fucked it up.
Why no Alternate Universe Story on TNG
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The first "Crossover" that DS9 did was interesting, but the sequels to that episode -- the Jennifer Sisko episode notwithstanding -- turned the Mirror Universe into a Fetish-Bondage universe. But ENT got the Mirror Universe right with the twists, reversals and betrayals.
DC Comics "Mirror Universe Saga" in their first-run of TOS comics was also a worthy sequel, where our characters get to crossover and inhabit the Earth and universe of their counterparts.
No it wasn't.
They just both happened to mention the possibility of intelligent lifeforms based on silicon, rather than carbon, in both episodes. That doesn't mean that all life based on silicon must be alike, though.
"Home Soil" was not written as an update at all (although it may have made a stronger point for the TOS fans if someone had inserted a line referencing the newly-discovered microbrains as being nothing like a horta).
The MU has always been well handled on Star Trek.
In the DS9 Mirror Universe Spock completed his reforms of the Empire. I'd guess in the Dark Mirror Mirror Universe Spock failed to do so or was killed before he could do it.
In the MU, Data would have been a female sex bot that Soong molested before she finally killed him and entered Starfleet. Then on the Enterprise, I think she/he'd have been first officer or tactical.
Picard would be a racist, amoral monster who's only diplomacy is photon torpedoes. He also be a narcissist and have hair implants.
Riker would be a heavily closeted gay, maybe the ship's hair stylist.
Troi would be an obese dominatrix(too much chocolate), mean, and feared by the crew for her psychic abilities, but not a counsellor of course, as there would be no such position in MU. She would be the head of the ship's Thought Police.
Geordi would be a serious holodeck pervert, and known to molest young engineering ensigns.
Worf would be a passive agressive bedwetter in stellar cartography.
Crusher would be the other most-feared woman on board, an extremely manipulative beeyotch, not a Doctor but a cold scientist.
And of course Wesley, a fatalistic teenager into weird drugs who causes the destruction of the ship one day.
Maybe I should write a story...
Picard would be a racist, amoral monster who's only diplomacy is photon torpedoes. He also be a narcissist and have hair implants.
Riker would be a heavily closeted gay, maybe the ship's hair stylist.
Troi would be an obese dominatrix(too much chocolate), mean, and feared by the crew for her psychic abilities, but not a counsellor of course, as there would be no such position in MU. She would be the head of the ship's Thought Police.
Geordi would be a serious holodeck pervert, and known to molest young engineering ensigns.
Worf would be a passive agressive bedwetter in stellar cartography.
Crusher would be the other most-feared woman on board, an extremely manipulative beeyotch, not a Doctor but a cold scientist.
And of course Wesley, a fatalistic teenager into weird drugs who causes the destruction of the ship one day.
Maybe I should write a story...
^^^ In the MUS, Mirror Spock still was interested in reforms but chose not to act immediately after our crew returned, because he reasoned he would not have enough support to challenge Mirror Kirk and gain power within the Empire. It was mainly due to an encounter with our Spock, whose mind was damaged after TSFS and whom M-Spock had gone to retrieve (because our Spock had the effects of Genesis in his genetic code) that M-Spock chose to side with our crew again and work to defeat the Empire. The ending of the comic implies strongly that this is how Mirror Spock became Emperor, with the counterparts of David Marcus and Marlena Moreau perhaps having important positions.
Incidentally, it also fits in with the DS9 continuity since it's never been established canonically when Mirror Spock took power. If we could include the MUS, then the reformation would have happened in the movie era (after TSFS and before TVH).
Incidentally, it also fits in with the DS9 continuity since it's never been established canonically when Mirror Spock took power. If we could include the MUS, then the reformation would have happened in the movie era (after TSFS and before TVH).
TNG Mirror Universe Character Outlines
Picard – A Captain Bligh-type officer. Cruel and vicious. Evil and imperialist. Dishing out barbaric punishments to disobedient planets and officers. Blowing up enemy or dissenting colonies and starbases, conquering new territory in the name of the Empire.
Riker - He would have been the Himmler of the TNG Mirror Universe. Chief superintendent of the Empire's concentration camps and leader of the Empire's version of the SS. Pure human blood soldiers. Fanatically loyal to the Empire. Brutal treatment of aliens under Imperial control.
LaForge - Blind, like his normal universe counterpart, but this is by choice. He's been fitted with red eyes, which give him infra-red vision, radar, spectrum, heat sensor vision, x-ray, and sensors which can detect body temperature, heart rate etc...which are used for torture and interrogation purposes.
Dr. Crusher - The female version of Josef Mengele. Cruel and evil. Delighting in using aliens for medical experiments which would be sadistic and painful. An angel of death. Captain's woman.
Deanna Troi - Chief interrogator, capable of using her telepathic abilities to place horrific images in the minds of her victims and using painful neurological means to extract information which is important to the Empire. Lesbian lover of Dr. Crusher. Both would have been as sadistic as each other.
Data - A machine, like the normal universe, but partially metallic in appearance. Capable of replacing parts of his body, like his arms, with torture devices and pieces of technology that allows him to control machines, like computers. Looks grotesque.
Tasha Yar - Worf's replacement in the MU (because Mirror Worf was seen on DS9). She would have been like Intendant Kira on DS9. Into leather gear. Kinky and depraved. Sado-masochism. Delighting in abusing prisoners for her own needs and pleasure. As tactical officer, she would have the best position to indulge her perverted and violent tendencies because killing and causing pain would actually give her sexual pleasure. A real psychopath.
Picard – A Captain Bligh-type officer. Cruel and vicious. Evil and imperialist. Dishing out barbaric punishments to disobedient planets and officers. Blowing up enemy or dissenting colonies and starbases, conquering new territory in the name of the Empire.
Riker - He would have been the Himmler of the TNG Mirror Universe. Chief superintendent of the Empire's concentration camps and leader of the Empire's version of the SS. Pure human blood soldiers. Fanatically loyal to the Empire. Brutal treatment of aliens under Imperial control.
LaForge - Blind, like his normal universe counterpart, but this is by choice. He's been fitted with red eyes, which give him infra-red vision, radar, spectrum, heat sensor vision, x-ray, and sensors which can detect body temperature, heart rate etc...which are used for torture and interrogation purposes.
Dr. Crusher - The female version of Josef Mengele. Cruel and evil. Delighting in using aliens for medical experiments which would be sadistic and painful. An angel of death. Captain's woman.
Deanna Troi - Chief interrogator, capable of using her telepathic abilities to place horrific images in the minds of her victims and using painful neurological means to extract information which is important to the Empire. Lesbian lover of Dr. Crusher. Both would have been as sadistic as each other.
Data - A machine, like the normal universe, but partially metallic in appearance. Capable of replacing parts of his body, like his arms, with torture devices and pieces of technology that allows him to control machines, like computers. Looks grotesque.
Tasha Yar - Worf's replacement in the MU (because Mirror Worf was seen on DS9). She would have been like Intendant Kira on DS9. Into leather gear. Kinky and depraved. Sado-masochism. Delighting in abusing prisoners for her own needs and pleasure. As tactical officer, she would have the best position to indulge her perverted and violent tendencies because killing and causing pain would actually give her sexual pleasure. A real psychopath.
I made MU versions of some of the modern characters, and I had a somewhat different take on MU Tasha. She's not a psycho, but she is a mean-spirited bully and a human elitist. In a lot of respects, she's designed very much to be the opposite of her counterpart.
I suppose I should dig up my old list...
I suppose I should dig up my old list...
I like Picard pretty much the way I wrote him. Yeah, it's a shameless plug, but it addresses similar ideas at some length. 
If we're talking shameless plugs, I absolutely love Diane Duane's "Dark Mirror" which might explain my proclivity toward writing so many fanfics with a Mirror Picard inspired by the vision in her book. There is Double Entendre, Nocturnal Transmissions, The Specter of the Enterprise, Career Advancement, and Captain's Desire originally written for the August/September 06 BBS challenge and reposted this fall.Warmest Wishes,
Whoa Nellie
I think the best Au stories are the ones which throw our characters as we know them, and the TNG universe as we recognise it, into relief and show it for what it is. Debasing the characters' humanity, robbing them of their good qualities, motives and attributes accentuates those things in "our" versions of the characters. I think the Nazi-style Picard and Riker depicted above would work effectively, for me, because those two characters are nothing like that, and yet, there is something "believable" depicting them that way. I'm not sure why that is. Depicting them like this is chilling and disturbting. I'm wondering if that's because the real image doesn't need much tweaking to distort it? 
An MU episode of TNG would've been sweet.
The MU is just great all around.
The MU is just great all around.
WillsBauble said:
^See, you said it in a couple of sentences - took me a whole heap of whaff!
Course, I didn't say that I find Nazi Riker and Picard rather attractive.
I'm almost frightened to think about what my MirrorPicard/Vash/Picard stories say about me.
Warmest Wishes,
Whoa Nellie
Also. Kinky. 
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