Why isn't there a Chief of Security on the Enterprise in the Kelvin Timeline?

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies: Kelvin Universe' started by Enterprise1701, Aug 6, 2016.

  1. Enterprise1701

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    Chief of Security. Manages shipboard security, leads armed response teams, interrogates intruders, etc. Sometimes even controls ship-mounted weapons and/or the armory, depending on the era and ship/installation. We had Reed in ENT, some minor one-off guys in The Original Series, Chekov in the TOS movie era, Yar and later Worf in The Next Generation, Odo in Deep Space Nine, and Tuvok in Voyager. Obviously, we know that Abrams and his crew didn't want to tamper too much with the classic elements of TOS in casting for the Kelvin Timeline movies. That said, what could be an in-universe reason the Kelvin Timeline Enterprise is never seen to have a Chief of Security in any of the three movies thus far?
     
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    How do you know there isn't?
     
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    Well ain't nobody on the bridge in the past three movies seems to be fulfilling that specific function.
     
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    So? A chief of security doesn't belong on the bridge.
     
  6. M'Sharak

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    The Chief of Security is undoubtedly none other than the ninja-like and rarely-observed Janice "Don't call me Yeoman" Rand.

    Just ask @Pauln6 . :p
     
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    I suppose her sexist recruitment policies could explain why every other security guard is a good looking man?

    TOS did ok featuring characters from other disciplines, but rarely featured its security chief. Other shows became a bit narrower and tended only to show characters they wanted to use, so TNG and Voyager had no chief science officer and DS9 didn't bother to replace their chief science officer. When Chekov was promoted sideways after TMP, Enterprise didn't bother to replace him. In TUC, the helmsman ended up leading a murder investigation.
     
  8. CorporalClegg

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    Sam Wildman was VOY's science officer.

    Also, TNG probably had a science officer--or head of the science department--it's just that, like a security chief, there's really no reason for the primary duty station to be on the bridge.

    Really, the only Spock needed to be on the bridge was because he was the executive officer.
     
  9. section31agent

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    The "minor one-off guys" that were security chief in TOS didn't have a bridge station either
     
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    Somewhere aboard the Enterprise is a younger, better looking Lt. Commander Giotto who also looks identical to Commodore Bob Wesley.
     
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    She's the ship's xeniobiologist but it doesn't automatically follow that she's the chief science officer. We never see her doing anything in a leadership role and she's only an ensign. There are other scientists, such as the twins, in stellar cartography. Traditionally, the chief science officer is an astrophysicist, since those are the sorts of things that require analysis on the bridge. One would expect a xenobiologist to spend much of their time in their lab analysing samples, and we must assume that's where Sam spends much of her time, since she only appears on half a dozen occasions, generally in mommy-related stories.

    TMP did introduce the weapons console and internal security console to give ship's security a presence on the bridge, which makes more sense than having the security chief working comms. I like the layout in TMP but I suppose they would not want to spread their characters too thin. It's why Chekov ends up reporting back about internal security breaches from the weapons console.
     
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  12. Pauln6

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    Sure, but why is he only employing good looking men?
     
  13. The Wormhole

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    You need me to spell it out?
     
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    Ah so he was disappeared by Charlie Evans after a vigorous wrestling session? In fact, Carol, Janice, SeSalle - all tragically disappeared by Charlie. NuKirk saw his potential and promoted Charlie to morale officer.
     
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    If they took time to introduce and give backstory to every position, the movies would take so long to film we'd all be dead by the time they were released.

    Some things are just not necessary.
     
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    Wildman was not chief science officer.

    Some novels say that Data, with his android capabilities, doubled as chief operations officer and chief science officer. Which is rather true of his canon portrayal, isn't it?
     
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    Koenig was also getting a higher salary that the Rhaandaite Ensign, who was at the Internal Security station. ;)
     
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    Data was originally meant to be the science officer, this was changed because Brent Spiner didn't look good in a blue uniform.
     
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    He was Chief Exposition Officer.