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Why is there resistance to the idea of Starfleet being military?

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A military's primary purpose is to fight a war. That is not Starfleet's primary purpose. While Starfleet does indeed act as the de-facto defense force of the United Federation of Planets, its primary purpose is to explore space. Defense is an secondary, though still highly important, mission of Starfleet's. Because its primary purpose is not fighting war, it is not technically a military organization, which gels with statements made both on-screen, and in behind-the-scenes documentation, interviews, etc.
 
A military's primary purpose is to fight a war.
Military's do a lot more than fight wars, but let's ignore that for the moment. What a military is expected is to drop everything at a moment's notice to act in defense of its nation, as is Starfleet. When the Borg and Dominion are bearing down on the Federation any and all scientific and exploratory endeavors will be put aside in favor of defense. As I said earlier, no one in this situation is going to say "not dealing with that today, we're exploring instead." Hell, in TUC many on Starfleet's top brass had to be reminded that science and exploration is something they do, as in their opinion peace with the Klingons meant Starfleet no longer had a purpose.
 
That is not Starfleet's primary purpose. While Starfleet does indeed act as the de-facto defense force of the United Federation of Planets, its primary purpose is to explore space. Defense is an secondary, though still highly important, mission of Starfleet's.

Can you point to any time on-screen where a science/exploration mission was deemed more important than defending the Federation? If not, then Starfleet's primary purpose, the reason they get all those great toys, is the defense of the Federation.
 
Can you point to any time on-screen where a science/exploration mission was deemed more important than defending the Federation?
Maybe that's why so many died in the Tomed Incident? Starfleet was more concerned with charting a pretty nebula while the Romulans slaughtered many thousands innocent Federation citizens?
 
I just don't understand how people think the whole of humanity can be rehabilitated, but the word "military" can't.

If everyone in the Federation is good upstanding citizens only concerned with the common good, the military would just be an extension of that philosophy.
 
Can you point to any time on-screen where a science/exploration mission was deemed more important than defending the Federation? If not, then Starfleet's primary purpose, the reason they get all those great toys, is the defense of the Federation.

Starfleet's flagship, U.S.S. Enterprise NCC-1701-D, was regularly assigned scientific and exploration missions at a time when the Federation was theoretically at war with the Cardassians. Its successor, NCC-1701-E was assigned scientific and diplomatic missions for nearly the entirety of the Dominion War.
 
tarfleet's flagship, U.S.S. Enterprise NCC-1701-D, was regularly assigned scientific and exploration missions at a time when the Federation was theoretically at war with the Cardassians.

Taking a way for a second that the war was a season four retcon, and the fact that Picard actually fought in it. As easily as the Cardassians were dispatched in "The Wounded", it likely represented more of a border skirmish.

We honestly don't know how recent "recent" actually is in the signing of a peace treaty.

Its successor, NCC-1701-E was assigned scientific and diplomatic missions for nearly the entirety of the Dominion War.

Not according to the novels... But, we only know of one scientific assignment (during the films), one that Picard blew off (shows how important their scientific duties actually are), during that time. The diplomatic missions were trying to recruit races to come join the Federation so they had more allies to fight the Dominion.

Then there's the fact that the Federation has more than one border. So not only were they fighting the Cardassians, they were fighting the Tzenkethi, fighting skirmishes with the Tholians, keeping an eye on the Romulans and prepping for a possible Borg invasion.

Sounds like a military to me...
 
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Not according to the novels...

I tend not to put much stock in the novels, as they frequently conflict with each other on pretty major things. For instance, one has DS9 destroyed, one doesn't... hard to enjoy so many random inconsistencies like that.

But in any case. What I find myself doing on topics like this is finding a way to reconcile the established canon so that you don't have to outright ignore entire swaths of it. Starfleet has been repeatedly described as being a non-military organization. But it clearly acts as the defense organization of the United Federation of Planets. So what do we call a non-military organization that has defense as one of its roles? We call that organization Starfleet. It uses its own terminology and definitions.
 
What are all these references? I only know of Picard's one remark.

I only know of two. Picard's in "Peak Performance" and Scott's in Into Darkness. I don't count statements from Enterprise due to the fact that Earth Starfleet was a much different organization.
 
Scotty's line in Beyond.
TNG writer's guide.
Nichelle Nichols' book.
Data correcting someone describing the Enterprise as a "warship" by saying "The Enterprise is a ship of peace".
ENT era repeatedly making a distinction between Starfleet and "the military" in the form of MACO.
Captain Pike describing Starfleet as "a humanitarian and peacekeeping armada".
Scotty's line from Into Darkness: "That's what scares me. This is clearly a military operation. ls that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers."
Pike's line from Into Darkness: "Gentlemen. Starfleet's mandate is to explore and observe, not to interfere."
etc.
 
Pike's line from Into Darkness: "Gentlemen. Starfleet's mandate is to explore and observe, not to interfere."

On a survey mission. That has nothing to do with whether or not Starfleet is the military.
 
On a related note, in Star Trek (2009), Nero (a lowly miner) knew exactly who to get Federation defense codes from: Starfleet captain Christopher Pike. Starfleet can claim to not be the military, but that clearly isn't how races outside the Federation see them in universe.

Just like the Cardassians tried to get Federation defense deployments from Starfleet captain Jean-Luc Picard in "Chain of Command".

Everyone but Starfleet seems to understand that Starfleet is the military arm of the Federation.
 
On a related note, in Star Trek (2009), Nero (a lowly miner) knew exactly who to get Federation defense codes from: Starfleet captain Christopher Pike. Starfleet can claim to not be the military, but that clearly isn't how races outside the Federation see them in universe.

Just like the Cardassians tried to get Federation defense deployments from Starfleet captain Jean-Luc Picard in "Chain of Command".

Everyone but Starfleet seems to understand that Starfleet is the military arm of the Federation.
Well thats like saying that the laws that protects federations citizens rights are meaningless because the romulans or klingons dont follow them.

Also this reminds me of the debates that where had about if the federation used money or not. Despite star fleet officers stating that the federation hand a money free economy. Some ppl found it so unbelievable that a claim was made that it was only true on earth. Or that they used federation credits. The only credits i ever heard was transporter credits and that was clearly self explanatory.
It seems that ppl can't suspend their disbelief and use head cannon to explain starfleet not being a military or not having money.
As for the argument that star fleets defence of the federation means they are a military. My answer to that is this, they are a exploratory and scientific organisation tasked with the use of deadly force because they are the only organisation powerful enough to defend the federation so it falls to them as a default. Guess what happens when starfleet is bit strong enough, enter the macros from EnT, where there is a clear difference between the macro soldiers and the ent crew. Starfleet is essentially nasa with weapons training.
Finally, to address the analogy of if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck then it is one, my response is this..

If he walks like a man, talks like a man and i ca him a man but he says he is a she and is transitioning then i am gonna go by her word. Starfleet has always considered themselves explorers in the strictest sense, they are also called in to fight if its needed because no other organisation has the ability. And it is very different from the other powers in the way it recruits and its priorities.
 
I tend not to put much stock in the novels, as they frequently conflict with each other on pretty major things. For instance, one has DS9 destroyed, one doesn't... hard to enjoy so many random inconsistencies like that.
What? That may have been true in the 90s, but since 2000 or so Pocket Books has worked to create one cohesive novel continuity which actually works out better than some other shared universes, arguably better than on-screen Trek. At the very least, you're wrong about the destruction of DS9, that's been a major event that all the novels have stayed consistent with. It's true, since the novel chronicling its destruction was published there have been a few with flashbacks that take place on the old station prior to its destruction, but that is an inconsistency at all. That's like saying Cause and Effect is inconsistent just because the crew of the Bozeman are wearing TOS movie uniforms.
What are all these references? I only know of Picard's one remark.
The five onscreen references to Starfleet not being military:
-Picard in Peak Performance
-Archer and Admiral Forrest in The Expanse
-Archer and Captain Hernandez in Home
-Scotty in STID
-Scotty in Beyond
Of course, of these five two are about the Starfleet that existed before the Federation, and two are an alternate timeline. Peak Performance remains the only on screen reference to the Prime Universe's Federation Starfleet being non-military, despite the fact that it had been described as a military a year earlier in Hide and Q. Peak Performance is also the only reference to Starfleet being non-military prior to 2003.
Nichelle Nichols' book.
Now you're breaking your own rules. You said earlier you don't count novels, therefore you can't reference one written by Nichelle Nichols. No it doesn't matter that you were referring to fictional works and Nichols' is non-fiction. A novel is a novel, you can't cite one immediately after saying you don't count them.

Besides, Shatner's novels do describe Starfleet as military.
Or that they used federation credits. The only credits i ever heard was transporter credits and that was clearly self explanatory.
The Trouble with Tribbles, Cyrano Jones and the bartender are haggling a price in monetary units.
Farpoint, Dr. Crusher says "charge it to my account."
Starfleet is essentially nasa with weapons training.
Then why does Starfleet follow the military tradition of referring to COs as "Captain" regardless their actual rank, and not the NASA tradition of referring to a CO as "Commander" despite their actual rank or title. Why isn't the head of Starfleet a Director if they're NASA? If anything those guys in the gray jumpsuits scene frequently on TNG seem more like a NASA analogue to me than Starfleet ever did.
 
The Federation not using money has a similar history of contention due to all the on screen references to people using money, combined with other references that the Federation doesn't use money. It's a mystery. And like any upright walking hue Mon, we feel compelled to solve it, bring order to it, and file it away.

This debate really isn't hard as there are scores(yes with an s) of references, plot points, direct dialogue, etc depicting Starfleet as a space navy, defense force, and dare I say....mili...something.
 
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