Both are insensitive.
Why is the "feel" of the show so different compared to TNG/DS9/VOY?
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I disagree. You're arguing with the fundamentals of language. It's middle English medical term which came long after the root meeting of the word. A depressed stock market is not an emotional state.
However I would avoid using such language near you if that came up, as I was just making the point of in another thread: we are all entitled to our opinions and I can't tell you what to think or what is right for you.
And on that topic I have massive issues with "hysteria."
However I would avoid using such language near you if that came up, as I was just making the point of in another thread: we are all entitled to our opinions and I can't tell you what to think or what is right for you.
And on that topic I have massive issues with "hysteria."
For Data fans, "Nemesis" was "the sad and depressing conclusion" - and "Picard" fixed that with some beautiful scenes.
Hysteria is a terrible word, grossly misused.
Yeah, this comes out of a lot of personal frustration that I overreact to. The way language is used in such imprecise ways especially around emotional states is very frustrating. So, when using the term "depressing" after watching a TV show I really struggle with that. Because, yeah, it comes across as disingenuous. But, I could have phrased it a whole lot better. My apologies, both to you, and to the OP.
The man did it for seven years and four feature films.
A lot of the more inane online critics (like AngryJoe and RLM) can't seem to process this, when TNG came and went decades ago, with Picard being its own animal and a product of the post DVD era.
Well, it's not like people use the word sincerely anymore. The original concept is so awful that I'm surprised it even persists.
I still use it myself. but only when I've blundered into a conflict with social conservatives.
North Americans seem to often forget there's not really such a thing as offensive words, just improper or offensive use of words.
This thread is depressing — in the multiple meanings of that homonym.
PIC is a more somber melancholy series about regret and aging. Picard is older and less able to combat the world gone mad around him. And it is more graphic and written for an older audience.
The why has been answered upthread. Stewart didn’t want to do TNG again, not the least of it being his fear of him/them messing it up. I mean both he and Spiner thought NEM was good, so maybe he doesn’t trust himself to redo TNG either. I agree.
I think Strange New Worlds is in-part a reaction to some of exactly what you’re lamenting @GotNoRice. A lot of people would like something more uplifting right about now. But as @Lord Garth pouts out, it’s going to be a contemporary show. I was there first-run TNG-ENT, and we didn’t think they were perfection then either, let alone dreamt of limiting ourselves to them 20-40 years later.
I’m cautiously optimistic about seeing the TNG gang again next season, even in this sadder series.
And I’m looking forward to a more optimistic 25th+ century show on a new starship (the Enterprise F?) on the far end of the Federation, with whole new aliens, and maybe a gay/bi/trans/what have you captain and maybe one non-humanoid main cast member at some point.
The human adventure is just beginning.
PIC is a more somber melancholy series about regret and aging. Picard is older and less able to combat the world gone mad around him. And it is more graphic and written for an older audience.
The why has been answered upthread. Stewart didn’t want to do TNG again, not the least of it being his fear of him/them messing it up. I mean both he and Spiner thought NEM was good, so maybe he doesn’t trust himself to redo TNG either. I agree.
I think Strange New Worlds is in-part a reaction to some of exactly what you’re lamenting @GotNoRice. A lot of people would like something more uplifting right about now. But as @Lord Garth pouts out, it’s going to be a contemporary show. I was there first-run TNG-ENT, and we didn’t think they were perfection then either, let alone dreamt of limiting ourselves to them 20-40 years later.
I’m cautiously optimistic about seeing the TNG gang again next season, even in this sadder series.
And I’m looking forward to a more optimistic 25th+ century show on a new starship (the Enterprise F?) on the far end of the Federation, with whole new aliens, and maybe a gay/bi/trans/what have you captain and maybe one non-humanoid main cast member at some point.
The human adventure is just beginning.
I thought they didn't like it?
Good point. For me, I prefer accuracy. The use of the term "depressing" in an emotional sense is one that I find misused, such that the emotion is not accurately communicated. And I prefer accuracy and honesty about the actual feeling, rather than the trend of "I'm so depressed!" "Why?" "Oh, the store didn't have my favorite ice cream." Not offensive, that's the incorrect term. But grossly misstating the severity of the emotion.
N. Americans annoy me when they say they "hate" a specific movie or TV show.
Agreed.
The major appeal for me going into PIC was a combination of 1) "TNG meets Disco", 2) "The TNG Movies done right" which really means (in my mind) "The TNG Movies if they'd be done like the TOS Movies", and 3) Seeing Berman Era characters freed from the Berman Influence.
So PIC not feeling like TNG/DS9/VOY was the main draw. And besides that, there are 21 seasons of TNG/DS9/VOY. 21 seasons! It was enough when it ended, and it's still enough now.
So PIC not feeling like TNG/DS9/VOY was the main draw. And besides that, there are 21 seasons of TNG/DS9/VOY. 21 seasons! It was enough when it ended, and it's still enough now.
Yeah, but those things are why it's made a target, and to be honest I feel like its 2nd season felt like two steps forward and one step back (a side effect of Covid and transition in writers I guess).
Season 2 wasn't a fundamentally bad story and its tone felt like a more grounded, more violent VOY's "Future's End" (but at 10 episodes it outstayed its welcome to a lot of viewers).
Season 3 should have a more original story that has better tangents and more self-contained episodes.
I preferred the first season. The second felt like two episodes, then one long one broken into seven parts, then one final one. Wasted opportunities everywhere. Predictable storyline — of course wasted Han Solo Chis Rios magically loves and wants to stay in the 21st century…right before the apocalypse. Plus, no butterfly wing flaps there. Cheesy victory lap references to stuff we know — the Excelsior, Grissom, Ten Forward (you mean to suggest that Guinan had a bar on Earth, on what should be Great Barrier Reef II after the Hermosa Earthquake Janeway mentioned, centuries ago that was named after a bar she’d have in the future in the forward section of Deck 10 of some future starship?), etc. Underutilizing Q and Baltar, committing the GEN sin of confusing Shatner’s horse fetish/Stewart’s parental history with their characters, then that godawful CG blockade of a puttering interstellar phenomenon.
…okay, I’m going on too much about this. I haven’t written about my feelings vis-à-vis Season 2 before I don’t think.
But Season 1 took itself more seriously and tried to do something different, and succeeded at it. PIC is not TNG, and it’s best enjoyed understanding that. Hell, the TNG movies were so bad, I consider them their own parallel universe or supplementary material to the series proper, but I can’t take them seriously either.
I appreciate that we’re getting Patrick Stewart and this character back for the treat that is this series and enjoying it on its own grounds. TNG remains unchanged in my mind and the gold standard, for me. My only hope is that next season they give the TNG characters some real pathos I can respect like I did basically everyone’s in Season 1. Troi had probably her best work as a counselor in “Nepenthe” — oh what a character can do when the writers know how to write for them. Again, can’t wait for Season 3. Hopefully it will be itself distinct and better than even Season 1.
…okay, I’m going on too much about this. I haven’t written about my feelings vis-à-vis Season 2 before I don’t think.
But Season 1 took itself more seriously and tried to do something different, and succeeded at it. PIC is not TNG, and it’s best enjoyed understanding that. Hell, the TNG movies were so bad, I consider them their own parallel universe or supplementary material to the series proper, but I can’t take them seriously either.
I appreciate that we’re getting Patrick Stewart and this character back for the treat that is this series and enjoying it on its own grounds. TNG remains unchanged in my mind and the gold standard, for me. My only hope is that next season they give the TNG characters some real pathos I can respect like I did basically everyone’s in Season 1. Troi had probably her best work as a counselor in “Nepenthe” — oh what a character can do when the writers know how to write for them. Again, can’t wait for Season 3. Hopefully it will be itself distinct and better than even Season 1.
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Wasted opportunities is the paramount element of these Viacom All Access + Trek shows, its best to leave what you knew as quality storytelling in Star Trek's past and just accept what's given to you. As you know, nothing lasts forever. As mentioned, its nice to see Patrick Stewart again and bringing forth new characters, some old and grouping them for some one ten chapter story which barely gets it together. As for the CG, give these creatives a break; they're doing their best on the talent they have, at least they're trying. I think these showrunners are putting their best feet forward and they are listening to criticisms despite what's lacking.
Even most of the CGI is near physical model/feature film quality really, I think it's just sorely lacking the design quirkiness and quality that we've been seeing with DSCO and SNW (outside that 23rd century Romulan warbird and the new Borg vessel).
I dislike the way that "awesome" is thrown around. I would think the Great Pyramid must be awesome, however I do not believe I have ever drank an awesome coffee.
I dislike how we throw like and love and hate and depression and cool and hot and brilliant and normal and good and bad and fuck and suck and shit and great and fat and skinny and alien and bucks and bugs and black and white and gay and straight and orange and fruit and canon and till and Star Trek and sci-fi and man and woman and racist and freedom and need and address and throw and yo mamma and more around.
Also anyone who isn’t North American. Cause OM(F)G they’re so strange. Also strange.
Also anyone who isn’t North American. Cause OM(F)G they’re so strange. Also strange.
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