Why is it not canon that the events of FC led to the transwarp drive of the Excelsior?

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  1. FederationHistorian

    FederationHistorian Commodore Commodore

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    I was watching this review by Dave Cullen about BEY and he brought up something interesting at the 0:33 mark. Of a possible connection between TSFS and FC.



    It makes sense. That Starfleet spent over a hundred years reverse engineering the Borg’s transwarp drive from the destroyed Borg sphere. Starfleet was already snooping around the technology in ENT and its not like the debris disappeared into thin air.

    But its never been made official canon in all this time. Why?
     
  2. fireproof78

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    It's not relevant to any of the told stories.
     
  3. King Bob!

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    Much of the Borg sphere should've burned up in the atmosphere, though there's no evidence that the sphere's propulsion systems survived the original explosion.
     
  4. David cgc

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    I think it was VGR's "Counterpoint" that had one of the greatest rationalizations in the history of Star Trek, which papers over all sorts of issues; Janeway is questioning an alien scientist, looking for the location of a nearby wormhole. He's playing dumb, but when she finally gets him to talk, he blusters he wasn't answering before because "'wormhole' is a layman's term," that covers a broad range of phenomena, and now he realizes they were looking for a technobabble whatchamacallit.

    Similarly, transwarp seems to be a generic reference for any form of faster-than-light travel that's appreciably faster than current warp drives while still using more-or-less the same principles. The transwarp the Borg used is different from the transwarp the Voth used is different from the transwarp the Voyager crew invented. It's not likely the transwarp drive on the Excelsior was in any way similar to the transwarp coil on the destroyed Borg Sphere. Indeed, it's relatively common theory that the Excelsior's drive worked, either completely or partially, and it supplanted the old kind of warp drive, and that's why the warp scale changed between the TOS movies and TNG.
     
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  5. Tosk

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    Because it's a fan theory. And a very thin one at that.
     
  6. publiusr

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    Not enough debris.
    That or Daniels covered it up—a timeline where that doesn’t happen is SNW
     
  7. ED-209

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    Did he blame it on "woke SJWs"? That's his go to.
     
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  8. tharpdevenport

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    I have a hard time believing 24th century Borg technology simply all burns up in re-entry. The materials used with such advanced technology assimilated for over a thousand different races, should not burn up at all.
     
  9. ED-209

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    I always just assumed “transwarp” as seen in TSFS is what eventually became the revised TNG warp scale. Transwarp as seen in Voyager is a completely different thing.
     
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  10. Cap'n Claus

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    TSFS Transwarp is just "even faster warp speed."

    As far as the original series was concerned, Warp Speed was " ships going really fast."
    Transwarp is "ships going really REALLY fast."

    So in that mindset, I can see it being the basis of the revised Warp Scale.
     
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  11. Tosk

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    Not all of it did burn up.

    But most of the ship doesn't need to be resistant to the heat of atmospheric entry. That's what the hull is for. Once you blow the ship up, the remaining pieces don't have the protection an intact ship does.
     
  12. fireproof78

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    Why not?

    Heat resistance would not be required for all components.
     
  13. Cap'n Claus

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    Well we know for a fact it all didn't burn up since it was discovered by scientists in STE "Regeneration." How much was still under the ice we don't know.