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Why Is "Into Darkness" So [imagine a different, more accurate past participle here]?

Jax said:
Talk about pulling a stat out of your nacelle :lol:
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Aren't all statistics relating to Trek thus, though?

Speaking as someone who got to read all the comments of both praise and disparagement regarding these movies over the last decade-plus, I'm not sure it's really wrong, either. And at least it's not "47 percent".
 
The one ID hate, er, complainer I know says it is because it violates the single timeline time travel method, everything should have been restored by the ending.

Don't even try to explain Multi-Universe Theory to them, they are finished with Trek unless the timeline is fixed.
 
shapeshifter said:
The one ID hate, er, complainer I know says it is because it violates the single timeline time travel method, everything should have been restored by the ending.

Don't even try to explain Multi-Universe Theory to them, they are finished with Trek unless the timeline is fixed.
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I think most of those people were worn out with the first movie. There was one guy who appeared every. single. time. the topic went to time travel:

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Just to let everyone know that there was no such thing as an alternate reality. Not sure he was still at it for ID.


AmandaSmith said:
very, I don't know how to edit yet
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Just keep posting. I forget what the number is, off the top of my head, but after a certain number of posts you will begin to see an Edit button.
 
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I think of all the Kelvin films seem richer on each rewatch.

I still haven't rewatched this one. I keep threatening it. I didn't like it the one time I saw it, but at that time I didn't like anything Kelvin. These days I've rewatched '09 and BEY loads of times but I've never come back to this one and I only watched it once. At least I think I'd enjoy it a lot more if I watched it these days. BEY is an excellent movie and '09 is a really solid piece of work.
 
if there is one thing I dislike about into Darkness is that I wish they didn't kill Pike off. I mean if you needed to have Kirk go after Khan, they should've just had him severely injured and out of commission for the rest of the movie.
 
Killing Pike off not only significantly motivates Kirk and Spock (as well as emotionally compromises them, though nobody calls that fact out...not that Admiral Marcus was going to do so...), but deprives them of a good resource when they desperately need one later in the film.

Also, story-wise, I imagine TPTB didn't really feel they had anything else to do with him.
 
I like this movie for the most part but there is one little thing that does hit the "not like" button for me and it's the fact that Spock in this universe asks Spock from the other universe for advice. Why would the Khan that is from his universe be exactly the same as the one in this universe? I mean I get why they did that for the storytelling but both Spocks experiences come from living in parallel but different universes so why should everything be a carbon copy of the other, and why can't this Khan be slightly different?
 
Well, the Khan in the Nuniverse shouldn't be different from the Khan from the Primeverse because the divergence point appeared to be when Narada attacked Kelvin.

I know there's an argument that the timelines must have differences preceding that event, but I don't really subscribe to that sphere of thought.
 
Gingerbread Demon said:
I like this movie for the most part but there is one little thing that does hit the "not like" button for me and it's the fact that Spock in this universe asks Spock from the other universe for advice. Why would the Khan that is from his universe be exactly the same as the one in this universe? I mean I get why they did that for the storytelling but both Spocks experiences come from living in parallel but different universes so why should everything be a carbon copy of the other, and why can't this Khan be slightly different?
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I didn't mind that, and Khan would still be a 20th century warlord.
 
DonIago said:
Well, the Khan in the Nuniverse shouldn't be different from the Khan from the Primeverse because the divergence point appeared to be when Narada attacked Kelvin.

I know there's an argument that the timelines must have differences preceding that event, but I don't really subscribe to that sphere of thought.
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I get that but shouldn't parallel universes or people not be literal carbon copies of each other? Shouldn't there be some small differences here and there?
 
mattman8907 said:
if there is one thing I dislike about into Darkness is that I wish they didn't kill Pike off. I mean if you needed to have Kirk go after Khan, they should've just had him severely injured and out of commission for the rest of the movie.
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Only they'd kinda done that once already, having him in a wheelchair at the end of the 2009 movie (as a result of being tortured with Centaurian slug by Nero). If they again have him severely injured but still alive at the end of the next movie, is Pike then on the verge of becoming a "Beep!" joke?
 
Gingerbread Demon said:
I get that but shouldn't parallel universes or people not be literal carbon copies of each other? Shouldn't there be some small differences here and there?
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According to the rules provided in-story (the only sane way to go with any time-travel story, Trek or otherwise), anything that predated the arrival of the Narada was a singular timeline and its arrival created a branching off point. Consequently, Khan is Khan, appearances to the contrary* notwithstanding. As a result, Spock Prime was a valid, if indirect, source of information (it was the same Khan, but one whose experiences diverged earlier than the point at which Spock Prime initially met Khan. Therefore, Spock Prime’s advice was more conjectural than it might otherwise have been).


*Beyond the obvious re-cast, for anyone demanding “an explanation” for the substantial difference in appearance, the line where Khan says (paraphrase from memory) “John Harrison was a fiction created by Admiral Marcus” can easily be read as including some form of physical alterations via surgery (my go to “explanation” for friends who couldn’t go with the flow of the re-casting).
 
The comic book clarified that there was indeed surgery.

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Ovation said:
*Beyond the obvious re-cast, for anyone demanding “an explanation” for the substantial difference in appearance, the line where Khan says (paraphrase from memory) “John Harrison was a fiction created by Admiral Marcus” can easily be read as including some form of physical alterations via surgery (my go to “explanation” for friends who couldn’t go with the flow of the re-casting).
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Actually, that is the line and you and I think along the same lines. How would Khan have been recognized? How was he recognized in TOS? By visual records. How would Marcus have determined Khan's identity? By visual records. Ergo, Khan's appearance was changed to conceal Marcus' work.
 
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