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Why I'm looking forward to "Star Trek: Discovery"

Lord Garth

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I dare say I think this will be the best Star Trek series. I'll put it ahead of DS9. I'll put it ahead of TOS. Yes, I said it.

"Star Trek: Discovery" based on everything I've read about it, feels like it'll be pushing things forward. Regardless of when the time-frame might be. From story structure to social issues to character composition.

I've always liked the design of the ship in question. Geometric, hard lines, very different.

Serialized storyline. Gender-blind. Race-blind. LGBT character (hopefully). Representation from the Roddenberry, Bennett, Berman, and Abrams era. Trying to do things that haven't been done before while looking at the DNA of selective TOS episodes to see what made the spirit of Star Trek work.

The Captain of "Star Trek: Discovery" might be a black woman, inspired by the real life astronaut Mae Jemison.

It'll fit in with the landscape of today's series and what I happen to watch these days. "Star Trek: Discovery" marks off everything on my list. This is what I was looking for all along.
 
Yeah, those are all the reasons I'm looking forward to Discovery, too! Let's hope they get it right. :)
 
Yeah, I'm hugely looking forward to it.

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The show-runner of the series, is someone who is a lifelong Trekkie, who's first memories of the show are a toy Klingon battlecruiser, who has gone on to make numerous path-finding TV shows, such as Dead Like Me, Wonderfalls, Pushing Daisies and Hannibal, the latter of which is considered by some to have been one of the best dramas on TV in years. He is being backed up by numerous production companies with a lot of pull, under the supervision of Alex Kurtzman, Heather Kadin and Rod Roddenbury, who, whatever you may think of the new films, are probably very well connected in the Hollywood establishment. And he hired this guy as one of his first choices for writing staff:

Star Trek's best ever writer/director has joined the crew of the new show

How Nichlas Meyer's literary love saved Star Trek

Now add to that the talk surrounding the direction of the show, and it sounds like a Trekkie's dream come true. They are talking about reviving the spirit of the Original Series, which many fans believe struck the perfect balance between The Next Generation's infectious intellectual optimism, Deep Space Nine's grounded politics, and The Twilight Zone's weirdness and horror. They have intoned that they do not wish to repeat any of the five directions or themes of the old series; TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY or ENT, since it would be redundant, and they already exist as a testament to those approaches, but instead to add something new. They want to bring back strong characterization, and presumably the deep literary spirit of the movies.

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We have been waiting 10 years for this.

10 years too long.

And this may only be the first of the new series, for those who wanted, say, a show set on the USS Reliant in the Kelvin Timeline, to expand that part of the setting. The show is already financially successful, and hasn't even filmed yet; so I would wager they can try other different approaches still, in order spin-off shows, set on other starships, etc.
 
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The New Utopians

Kim Stanley Robinson and the novelists who want to build a better future through science fiction.

How will the world end? Take your pick among an array of near-future catastrophes: rising sea levels, overpopulation, mass extinction of species, nuclear proliferation, uncontainable viruses, not to mention more fanciful but alarmingly plausible scenarios like a giant asteroid or superintelligent computers run amok. The prophets of doom are unusually loud in our time, and almost every vision of the future, whether by sober ecologists or wild-eyed science fiction writers, carries with it the stench of despair. The collapse of civilization has become its own narrative cliché.

But dark predictions have always had a sunny counterpart—the dream of a better world. Just as heaven and hell are complementary destinations, so are utopia and dystopia rivalrous siblings, each offering radically different outcomes, but both concerned with the idea of how humanity can shape its common destiny. The first utopias offered a revolutionary idea: The social order, as it exists, is neither inevitable nor the best we can hope for. Thomas More’s 1516 tour of an ideal island state called Utopia gave the genre its name, an idea later refined by Francis Bacon in the New Atlantis (1627), in which lost sailors discover an island where the inhabitants have perfected the scientific method. Catastrophe, in the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries, was ordained from above; sickness, plague, famine, these were out of the control of man. Utopia was a place of perfect social control, where the weather always behaved itself.

Countering these hopes were the satirical responses of more pessimistic writers like Jonathan Swift, whose Gulliver’s Travels (1726) can be read as an early warning about false utopias. Brook Farm was a notorious mid-nineteenth-century experiment in communal living that some of America’s leading writers, including Margaret Fuller and Nathaniel Hawthorne, tried and failed to establish in the 1840s. (Hawthorne’s disillusionment with the experience, and his general scorn for hare-brained utopianism, was recorded in his 1852 novel The Blithedale Romance.) Yet if utopia is easy to mock, it remains a central inspiration for social activism. Countless practical reform movements have taken heart from utopian imaginings. Edward Bellamy’s Looking Backward (1888) was a central text to Progressive-era America, just as H.G. Wells furthered socialism with the creation of a fictional world state in his 1933 novel, The Shape of Things to Come.

In contemporary culture, utopia has all but disappeared from our imaginative map while dystopias proliferate. The social order is no longer broken down by a failure of the political imagination, but by catastrophic climate events that deliver a new interval of geologic time: a dry or frozen planet beset by anarchy, population decline, even new speciation. Sometime after 1972, a global thermonuclear war leads to the desertification of the Earth, the near extinction of our species, and the rise of the Planet of the Apes (as well as seven sequels). Since 1979, Mad Max and his merry crew have fought for what little gasoline and water is left in a landscape of parched, desolate highways. In novel after novel, written with her characteristic gingery wit, Margaret Atwood has given us bad news about the ways in which humanity can mess up our collective destiny, whether it be the eugenic theocracy of The Handmaid’s Tale—her response to the rise of the religious right in the 1980s—or the genetic engineering gone awry in the MaddAddam trilogy. Cormac McCarthy doesn’t spell out the exact nature of the catastrophe that wrecks the world of his bleak 2006 novel The Road, but the barren, ashen landscape of the novel feels post-nuclear. In the 2013 film Snowpiercer, a train runs on an infinite loop over a flash-frozen Earth, its inhabitants trapped in a closed ecosystem ruled by martial law.

Climate change, so difficult to grapple with because it requires the cooperation of nations across the globe, points to how our environmental problems are fused with the narrowing of our political options. The end of history, much heralded by Francis Fukuyama, has been accompanied not by a flourishing of democracy but by plutocratic-friendly gridlock that prevents any political action that challenges the interests of entrenched wealth. The enemy of utopia isn’t dystopia, but oligarchy. The cultural critic Fredric Jameson summed up the dilemma of our epoch when he quipped that someone once said, “It is easier to imagine the end of the world than to imagine the end of capitalism.”

Amid the crowded field of artists crying doom and gloom, the science fiction novelist Kim Stanley Robinson has been an anomalous figure in the genre for almost 30 years. He’s made it his life’s work to write books that keep alive the idea that humanity can create a better future for itself. Robinson writes in the rigorous subgenre of hard science fiction, which requires respect for known natural laws rather than flights of fancy. In his books, the scientists are heroes: His Mars is not an alien planet, but a landscape to be terraformed into radical new farms; his Antarctica is a landscape for environmental research and eco-sabotage; and government grants, if applied for, can often save the world. Robinson’s work illustrates both the promise and peril of radical optimism, as well as the habits of ordinary people in extraordinary landscapes.

“Anyone can do a dystopia these days just by making a collage of newspaper headlines,” Robinson told science fiction short story writer Terry Bisson in 2009. “But utopias are hard, and important, because we need to imagine what it might be like if we did things well enough to say to our kids, we did our best, this is about as good as it was when it was handed to us, take care of it and do better.”

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Nick Meyer does very little for me. He's a good name to keep the purists from gnawing off their own arms, but that's about it.

Kardin seemed like a very interesting person with lots of answers. She's part of Kurtzman's team.

Fuller seems to have always had a direction he wants to take it in.

Just thinking about a new crew on missions every week is really exciting.

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Early on, I did wonder in the back of my mind how a creatively diverse group of talent would come together and not look like too many cooks in the kitchen* but Bryan Fuller is the main draw for me. It does seem like he has a very definitive idea.

So, the other writers, and whatever their background in Star Trek or elsewhere might be, are going to bring some type of facet forward in what I'm assuming will be a multi-faceted series. They might be telling one story arc with this season, but I'm dead certain it won't be one-note. It'll have range and elasticity.

* Specifically Nick Meyer and Rod Roddenberry. Since they have such different ideas about what Star Trek should be, assuming Rod is representing Gene.
 
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What I'm looking forward to is what a modern Trek will look like in this Golden Era of TV. I'm hoping that the new show can reach the heights that what came before it only wished it could have accomplished.

Also just talking about individually episodes here on the bbs and discussing everyone's differing opinions. One way I am glad the show is going more traditional is by releasing episodes once a week. This will allow for more robust discussions of each episodes without worrying about everyone being caught up.
 
Bryan Fuller has been my dream choice to run Star Trek for more than a decade.

I would have dreamt of Nick Meyer getting involved if I thought that was possible. I've loved his work all my life.

I've been a fan of the Adam/McQuarrie Enterprise concept art since I was a kid.

I don't know how I could be more pleased at this point.
 
Can't wait for the inevitable "I TOLD YOU SO" premature bump that will come 10 minutes after the first episode premieres.
 
Truth be told, we're all excited about Discovery because it's a new Star Trek series. No need to overcomplicate something so simple. Yes, even the bitchy complainers are looking forward to new Trek. No, especially the bitchy complainers.

I'll be watching it, but I'm not sure excited is how I'm feeling at this point. I am perfectly happy with the Abrams films. Getting together with old friends every few years.

I guess my biggest fear is that the lack of fun and wonder from the spinoffs will carry over to Discovery. Star Trek, generally, became very paint-by-numbers. But I'll definitely give it a chance.
 
Star Trek, generally, became very paint-by-numbers. But I'll definitely give it a chance.
No matter what the quality of the show ends up being, Bryan Fuller's showing-running resume is anything but paint-by-the-numbers. It might not be good, but I'll bet it's more unique than any of the other shows.
 
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No matter what the quality of the show ends up being, Bryn Fuller's showing-running resume is anything but paint-by-the-numbers. It might not be good, but I'll bet it's more unique than any of the other shows.

Which is the hope. But this is still a franchise property, and I imagine CBS will be monitoring every bit of it very closely and making "suggestions".
 
I'll be watching it, but I'm not sure excited is how I'm feeling at this point. I am perfectly happy with the Abrams films. Getting together with old friends every few years.

I guess my biggest fear is that the lack of fun and wonder from the spinoffs will carry over to Discovery. Star Trek, generally, became very paint-by-numbers. But I'll definitely give it a chance.
I think the whole point is..despite a spectacular 4th season for Enterprise, the general trend was sameness from the same producers, writers and production designers. This is a chance for all that to be different. I for one love the idea that the new music from this new composer "discovery" will be more bombastic.
 
I dare say I think this will be the best Star Trek series. I'll put it ahead of DS9. I'll put it ahead of TOS. Yes, I said it.

"Star Trek: Discovery" based on everything I've read about it, feels like it'll be pushing things forward. Regardless of when the time-frame might be. From story structure to social issues to character composition.

I've always liked the design of the ship in question. Geometric, hard lines, very different.

Serialized storyline. Gender-blind. Race-blind. LGBT character (hopefully). Representation from the Roddenberry, Bennett, Berman, and Abrams era. Trying to do things that haven't been done before while looking at the DNA of selective TOS episodes to see what made the spirit of Star Trek work.

The Captain of "Star Trek: Discovery" might be a black woman, inspired by the real life astronaut Mae Jemison.

It'll fit in with the landscape of today's series and what I happen to watch these days. "Star Trek: Discovery" marks off everything on my list. This is what I was looking for all along.

I won't judge it as the best series till I've seen it, but I am quite hopeful it will be a triumphant return of Star Trek to the small screen.
 
Truth be told, we're all excited about Discovery because it's a new Star Trek series. No need to overcomplicate something so simple. Yes, even the bitchy complainers are looking forward to new Trek. No, especially the bitchy complainers.

I became a fan of Star Trek in 1991. This is the history of my excitement for new series.

DS9 (1993): I was interested in there being a new Star Trek series. I don't know if it was excitement per se. I wasn't against it but the space station left me, even at 13 years old, thinking "I'll wait and see." I stopped watching after a few episodes and didn't watch again until TNG ended.

Voyager (1995): This concept interested me the most of any Star Trek series up to that point. A ship so far away, it would take 75 years to get home. I thought "Caretaker" was great. The execution of the series afterward made me go back-and-forth on my opinion of it.

Enterprise (2001): I wasn't interested in a prequel. I especially wasn't interested in one by Rick Berman and Brannon Braga after reading Ron Moore spill his guts in January 2000 about his frustration with Star Trek and why he left Voyager. This is NOT my opinion now. These days I see ENT as something that's just "there" and I'm fine with VOY. But, back then, in 2001, I wasn't like that... When the new Battlestar Galactica came around, I was all about that series.

Star Trek (2009): Technically not a TV series but I'll count it anyway. I had been arguing since even before ENT was cancelled that Star Trek should be rebooted. I was cautiously optimistic but wanted to like it. I liked the 2009 film and Beyond but not so much Into Darkness.

Discovery (2017): It looks like a collaborative effort combining all the things I wanted to see come together. For reasons that I've explained upthread. So, my reaction to this series is in fact different compared to previous series, except for Voyager.
 
I became a fan shortly after I was born, in the 80s, or early 90s - the BBC used to show TOS at 6pm (UK).

My mom, who used to watch it, said to me as a young kid "look, it's Star Trek!" and I was hooked for life.

I always used to cry at the end of The Undiscovered Country, because it was my family that were having their last voyage. I remember being a young, probably pre-10, or 11 year old kid, and seeing TNG for the first time. Having grown up with TOS (you don't need to have been alive in the 60s to have grown up with TOS, because it was in syndication), at first I thought "what the hell is this, no Kirk!?? Klingons on the bloody bridge!!!?", and was affronted - I love it with all my heart now - it didn't take long for that ugly snail, the Enterprise D to win me over.

We in the UK also got DS9 and VOY rather late. I saw the Galoob Micro Machines for DS9 before the BBC aired it, and it was already almost over in the USA. I remember I actually rented VOY's early episodes from blockbuster (or got my mom and dad to), and saw all of season 1 that way, getting individual blocks of three episodes on VHS - I loved it - I remember thinking the episode with the quantum singularity was really scientifically awesome, and that the Kazon were cool as hell. I think I saw DS9's last season via VHS too - the end of the Dominion War, I never quite felt was as good as Babylon 5, which had aired on Channel 4, and altered my perceptions of what arcs could be forever (still unsurpassed).

But by the end of VOY, I felt that the writing staff were losing their way - the last season actually had me fall asleep during an episode for the first time in my life (won't tell you which one, and I was probably a tired teenager). When ENT came out, I was part of the vocal crowd that found a lot of fault with it, since it contradicted everything we had been reading in the Star Trek: Encyclopedia and Star Trek: Chronology (both a child's best friend) for a decade - although I must say it stands up better on re-watching, and I enjoy it now - the Xindi arc, which seemed like a really obvious ploy at the time, is quite dramatic, and season 4 has some good stuff.

Since they were broadcast, I've watched the episodes of every series multiple times.

I even did a full re-watch of all 800ish episodes and movies a couple of years ago - only took a couple of months. I think I've re-watched TOS and TNG alone in order a few times, but I'm less eager with VOY, which is where things started to go wrong, for example with the Borg being made into the most prosaic enemy, from being a special event. TV sci-fi since the 90s hasn't impressed me much - I like BSG, but it did not entertain me as much as Star Trek, Babylon 5, Farscape, Stargate SG1 and Firefly. We had literally a 5-year lond dark age with no space opera between 2010 and 2015 - compared to about 4 shows at a time in the 90s.

I couldn't be more exited for Discovery, for the same reasons as Lord Garth.
 
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I am perfectly happy with the Abrams films. Getting together with old friends every few years.
If the Abrams films actually depicted my "old friends" from TOS, I probably would feel the same. During TOS I never got the feeling that Kirk was getting progressively more bored with his job during his first couple of years as captain.
I dare say I think this will be the best Star Trek series. I'll put it ahead of DS9. I'll put it ahead of TOS. Yes, I said it.
On reflection, we likely won't know how good it really is (in comparison to other series) for years, DS9 of course had many good episodes, but I consider it my least favorite series.

TOS had it's share of stinkers, but it's my favorite.

Time will tell.
 
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