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Why I think we're living in a computerized universe

How would you clasify the virtual worlds that we've created like The Sims, Second Life, even free roaming games like GTA? Granted that we do control them in some way and give them all there commands and what not but aren't they universes in there own right?

Is it a totally different concept or just the same idea?
 
They're simplistic simulations without the ability to simulate sapience, so the issue wouldn't come up. If a Sim were sapient, it would probably rather rapidly conclude that it was in a simulation, however. Whereas the putative simulation we live in is so well-developed that its physics engine is indistinguishable from a physical reality.
 
You have to look carefully at his proposal. I cannot paraphase it and keep the essence of it correct.Crudely stated, there is an arithmetic reality, which has computational properties maybe similar to Turing machines, Each mind is an aspect of a subset of those computations.
 
They're simplistic simulations without the ability to simulate sapience, so the issue wouldn't come up. If a Sim were sapient, it would probably rather rapidly conclude that it was in a simulation, however. Whereas the putative simulation we live in is so well-developed that its physics engine is indistinguishable from a physical reality.

... or so we're programmed to believe. ;)

How do we know what a "real" physical reality looks like? Maybe it's turtles all the way down.
 
Unfortunately, you've forgotten the most basic premise of science:

"The simplest explanation is usually the right one."

And even if we do live in a 'simulation' then it doesn't really matter; you're stuck with what you have and have to live by the rules of this Universe.

This isn't so much a basic principle of science as it is a "general rule of thumb" and one which is notoriously misquoted, that is "the simplest explanation that fits all the facts, is usually the right one". Of course, making sure we're taking into account all the facts, and nothing but the facts is where everyone, including science, goes wrong.

I believe we live in a nested universe/reality with each level being a different dimension or density, therefore all universes are, in this sense, artificial realities! We are the creators, however, on another level of consciousness, but like the Talosians we've gotten so absorbed in living and reliving experiances, we've forgoten our true reality and true nature, and have traded illusian for reality! On the one hand, there's nothing wrong with this since it's what we set out to do, but on the other hand, we have become trapped in a way, and this makes us vulnerable to other unscrupulous 'entities' that might want to take advantage of us in this situation.
 
When does a "simulation" become a "reality"? I would assert that it occurs when entities within the simulation become sentient. "Becoming sentient" has libraries of books dedicated to the concept, so we won't decide that part in a message board, so I will assert for the purpose of this discussion that at some point it happens, and has happenned for us.

I assert that "reality" always is. Sims or MMORPGs have virutal realities, but there are no resident entities that comprehend that reality, or their place in it. The Sim or RPG world exists, they are realities that we've created, just that currently no self-aware entities of that reality exist yet (that we are aware of).

"Free Will" is a red herring argument. We humans appear to posess free will simply because we do not adequately understand the neural chemical and electrical reactions that take place. If we had total knowledge, it would be obvious that any apparent decission was nothing more than the predictible result of bio-chemical reactions. Where we are now, where everything is now, was innevitible the instant all this was started. This also eliminates the fanciful "multiverse" based on every decission ever made, since every decissions was pre-determined by bio-chemical reactions and were, in fact, not choices at all. This is not to say there are not other reasons or mechanisms that may create a multiverse.

Whether this reality is created or spontaneous, we are bound by the rules of the system.

All this brings up some grand theological issues. If we are in a simulation, then there is a creator. Are humans the point of this simulation, or are we simply something happenning in some corner of the experiment that is not important. If we ARE the point of the simulation, does the creator expect to be acknowledged? (Does a human scientist expect acknowledgment by the bacteria or ants being studied?). Does the creator alter the conditions of the simulation? Could we ever understand the criteria for change?
 
It's probably best just to get on with things, and ignore the fact that you may be a construct, or just one of many copies in an infinite number of parallel worlds. Otherwise, there is a temptation to succumb to depression, solipsism, or madness.
 
If we're living in a computer-simulated reality, I want god-mode, level-skip, and infinite ammo, dammit!
 
"Free Will" is a red herring argument. We humans appear to posess free will simply because we do not adequately understand the neural chemical and electrical reactions that take place. If we had total knowledge, it would be obvious that any apparent decission was nothing more than the predictible result of bio-chemical reactions. Where we are now, where everything is now, was innevitible the instant all this was started. This also eliminates the fanciful "multiverse" based on every decission ever made, since every decissions was pre-determined by bio-chemical reactions and were, in fact, not choices at all. This is not to say there are not other reasons or mechanisms that may create a multiverse.

So even though you base your argument on our lack of knowledge, you proceed to tell us what we will discover to be true if we ever do gain full knowledge. Your idea is based on something you admit we have no idea about, yet you state it not as a hypothesis, but as a fact. Are you somehow above the rest of us that you know the unknown? Maybe you are too shy to step forward and claim your Nobel prize.
 
"Free Will" is a red herring argument. We humans appear to posess free will simply because we do not adequately understand the neural chemical and electrical reactions that take place. If we had total knowledge, it would be obvious that any apparent decission was nothing more than the predictible result of bio-chemical reactions. Where we are now, where everything is now, was innevitible the instant all this was started. This also eliminates the fanciful "multiverse" based on every decission ever made, since every decissions was pre-determined by bio-chemical reactions and were, in fact, not choices at all. This is not to say there are not other reasons or mechanisms that may create a multiverse.

So even though you base your argument on our lack of knowledge, you proceed to tell us what we will discover to be true if we ever do gain full knowledge. Your idea is based on something you admit we have no idea about, yet you state it not as a hypothesis, but as a fact. Are you somehow above the rest of us that you know the unknown? Maybe you are too shy to step forward and claim your Nobel prize.

You may have missed my "If we had total knowledge..." "if" denoting conjecture. I doubt that "total knowledge" is possible (if "everything" all ready takes up the universe, where would we put all that information about and explaining "everything"?). Not only that, even IF total knowledge is possible, total knowledge of NOW (each instant) likely would still elude us.

The ideas are not novel. In point of fact, much of our daily lives rely on the fact that chemical reactions ARE completely predictable.
 
If we're living in a computer-simulated reality, I want god-mode, level-skip, and infinite ammo, dammit!
Do you REALLY want god-mode invoked, seeing as you are not the player but just another NPC?

How do you know I'm not the player, having zoned out and forgotten who I am? After all, you could all be figments of my imagination.

Besides, there are some game engines in which activating god mode makes all the other characters invincible also.

But I'd settle for level skip and infinite ammo...
 
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