Bryan Fuller, Gina Carano,Les Mooonves, Writers who caused toxic work environment in season 2, Walter Mosley and 5 thousand directors hired by Kathleen Kennedy.
Spoilers Why I think Discovery is ending after season 4
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Bryan Fuller, Gina Carano,Les Mooonves, Writers who caused toxic work environment in season 2, Walter Mosley and 5 thousand directors hired by Kathleen Kennedy.
You can obfuscate, finagle and shift the goal posts all you want but everyone participating in this thread knew what you were insinuating and what you were hoping would happen. At least have the balls to stand by your convictions instead of backpedaling and hiding behind the words of others.
So it was 2 and a bit seasons of Enterprise and then nearly 2 seasons of Star Trek: Enterprise?
I covered that in the post you quoted.
So you did, I blame reading on my phone. Sorry
None of whom are named "Kennedy" or "Kurztman".
Well, ViacomCBS renewed it and that is that. More Kurtzman CW Trek.
I stand by my statements, this show is not popular and viewership is low.
Every data point that is publicly available, audience measurements, social media interactions, indicates that.
The viewership in Canada dropped below 533k viewers for DIS S04E07, a new low.
(DIS S1E01 2.2 million, DIS S1E03 1.4 million, PIC S1E01 1.8 million, PIC S1E10 1.3 million)
People moving to the Crave streaming service does not explain the loss of viewers on network TV. The gain of subscribers for Crave in the last years does not reflect the loss of viewers on network TV.
Two weeks after the mid-season break, Discovery is already gone from the Paramount Plus Top 10 TV shows. Low-cost reality TV and comedy shows, and old shows from the archives are in the Top 10.
In the top places are two Taylor Sheridan shows and "SEAL Team", a show with a budget per episode of less than half a Discovery episode.
For years Paramount Plus (CBSAA) had only two high-budget flagship shows, Discovery and Picard. Since November 2021 this has changed.
Discovery is no longer the flagship show. Taylor Sheridan is ViacomCBS' new golden boy. I think ViacomCBS will reevaluate how much money they put into NuTrek for what they are getting in return.
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Shows that aren't currently airing tend to have lower ratings than shows that are currently airing. Clearly the show is doing well enough to continue to produce it. I'm glad the show will continue, hopefully into a seventh season and maybe beyond. Haters can just continue to hate.
Also, despite not being available on iTunes in the US, and not dropping new episodes, Discovery Season 4 hasn’t left the top 5 of the global iTunes tv charts the last couple weeks, and was in the top 2 or 3 consistently when it was.
The last episode from "Mayor of Kingstown" is from "January 9, 2022" and it is in place 3.
Frasier, a show that ended in 2003, is in place 9.
All the shows from places 4 to 10 are old archived episodes from liner network TV.
Yesterday Hawaii Five-0, a show that ended in April 2020 was in place 10.
The last episode of SEAL Team in 2021 was released on December 5, 2021, yet three and four days after the reals of Discovery episodes 4x06 in week 51, and 4x07 in week 52, the viewership of Discovery dropped and SEAL Team took the number one spot.
SEAL Team, a show with less than half the budget of Discovery is competing for the number one spot.
What is your source and what metrics are they using? It doesn't show how they are ranked or what the order they're in even means. All it shows is that it's being watched.The last episode from "Mayor of Kingstown" is from "January 9, 2022" and it is in place 3.
Frasier, a show that ended in 2003, is in place 9.
All the shows from places 4 to 10 are old archived episodes from liner network TV.
Yesterday Hawaii Five-0, a show that ended in April 2020 was in place 10.
The last episode of SEAL Team in 2021 was released on December 5, 2021, yet three and four days after the reals of Discovery episodes 4x06 in week 51, and 4x07 in week 52, the viewership of Discovery dropped and SEAL Team took the number one spot.
SEAL Team, a show with less than half the budget of Discovery is competing for the number one spot.
I'm also not sure how a lower budgeted show doing better is a bad thing. Most reality shows get higher ratings than scripted shows, it's the reality of television. I'm not even sure what this list is supposed to be, but if it's the most watched shows on Paramount+, then it's usually the second based on your screengrabs. I can assume this is a good thing and I doubt any other Trek show could say they ranked that high.
IT'S A FAILURE LOOK AT ALL MY STATS!!!
I don't fucking care. They're making more. I'm happy. I think that means I win?
I don't fucking care. They're making more. I'm happy. I think that means I win?
Imagine not enjoying something just because someone on the internet alleges it isn't lining pocketbooks as well as it should be.
Char Kais, where does Flix Patrol source their top 10 from? It also only claims to show the top 10 for the US, ignoring all of the other markets it airs in internationally. The US is not the center of the world anymore when it comes to streaming.
also, according to your own image, Discovery is the top show for most of the week it airs..
also, according to your own image, Discovery is the top show for most of the week it airs..
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DISC Renewed for season 5! Oh, you knew that? Well, what's one more time? 
Yes, WE do.
Yes, WE do.
Imagine being a Star Trek fan upset that there was going to be more Star Trek.
Efficiency. If ViacomCBS spend less than half the budget for a show that gets equal or more views, that means they are not spending money efficiently.
https://flixpatrol.com/about/how-it-works/
And this is one data point.
We have viewership numbers from Canada (see above), that people conveniently dismiss or ignore.
Star Trek Discovery on Netflix in 2021 in Germany is ranked at 76 in the Top TV shows, one rank below Supergirl, and in the UK ranked at 109:
https://flixpatrol.com/top10/netflix/germany/2021/full/#netflix-2
https://flixpatrol.com/top10/netflix/united-kingdom/2021/full/#netflix-2
Nielsen has streaming charts now, Discovery is not on there.
Social media engagement is low, YouTube views for reviews are low, the number of ratings on IMDB are low.
The A.V. Club announced, mid-season, that would stop writing weekly Discovery reviews, because of low readership.
(In related news, TrekCulture, the biggest Star Trek YouTube channel, announced, also mid-season, that would stop making weekly Prodigy reviews, because of low view count. https://twitter.com/TrekCulture/status/1479169745886892037 )
Because of all these data points combined I come to the conclusion that Discovery (and NuTrek as a whole) is not very popular. It is not must-see television, NuTrek will never have the cultural impact old Trek had. The biggest impact NuTrek had is people are making of NuTrek, or people like NuTrek make fun of people who dislike NuTrek ("Kurtzman didn't get fired!").
Where is the proof, that the Star Trek fanbase is expanding?
I hope that ViacomCBS opens up as Netflix did about audience numbers or that external audience measurement services get a better inside into Paramount Plus. Either that or, unless something unexpected happens, I guess we have to wait for the next movie to get a benchmark about the state of Star Trek.
PS: All the discussion about Discovery's popularity aside, the popularity of Discovery (or Nutrek) is not my main concern (despite my reputation for being the "chart guy") but the quality of the stories. That is the core of the problem, the bad storytelling. NuTrek is bad storytelling, it's bad SciFi and it's bad Star Trek. "The Burn", a crying child, really? It's a joke. Another galaxy-ending threat? The endless therapy session? Trauma and grief in the morning and grief and trauma in the evening. All my arguments about popularity are just supplemental arguments, this stuff is not catching on.
It's just anger for the sake of it.
The Fox News syndrome.
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