What about the Mirror Universe? That's an alternate timeline that coexisted with the one we all know and love, so why can't this one too?
Why I refuse to ever watch this movie
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What about the Mirror Universe? That's an alternate timeline that coexisted with the one we all know and love, so why can't this one too?
I disagree- think of the STTNG epsisode 'Yesterday's Enterprise'- When the enterprise C went back into the rift, it ERASED the reality where the Klingons conquered the Federation. Likewise, whatever happened in the new star Trek film changed history and ERASED all the events of TOS, and of the events of the following series-
Well it's, you know, Star Trek. So that shouldn't take more then, oh, let's say, 1 minute?
Because someone who hasn't even seen the film (in which they hammer home the parallel point prety unsubtly) says so?
Incorrect- Kirk and crew traveled back to 1986 San Francisco to fetch whales, and Capt Piccard and crew traveled back to the 21st century to help Zephram Cochrine
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You're wrong. End of story.
Because none of the other movies had time travel.
Incorrect- Kirk and crew traveled back to 1986 San Francisco to fetch whales, and Capt Piccard and crew traveled back to the 21st century to help Zephram Cochrine
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My bad..
No. It doesn't. It means a new branch broke away from the moment the Kelvin was attacked and grew from there. The "original" is not "erased". IF ever anyone wanted (with Paramount's approval, of course) to revisit that timeline, it is there to do so. The only thing about that one is Romulus is destroyed in 2387 and Spock disappears from that timeline in the same year. Otherwise, life goes on in that timeline.
The precedent for this is found in many Trek episodes, so I'll not bother listing them all here.
On a practical note, it is unlikely that anyone WILL revisit the "original" timeline in quite some time, if ever--at least on screen (novels will have crossovers, I'm sure of it). THAT can be a legitimate source of disappointment for those who wish to see more of the original timeline on screen. But that is a separate argument.
I'll see your tens of thousands and raise it tens of millions... of fans who don't.
How so? Enterprise C was sent back into the rift so the timeline where the Klingons were destroying the Federation would CEASE to exist.
It stands to reason a changed history in the new film ERASED the timeline of TOS we all know..
Okay, Kirk's Brain. Everything I say is a lie.
Now, dig on this: I am lying.
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Nothing? Ah well, it would have been negligent of me not to try.
For fucks sake..
This forum really needs a sticky with capital, bold letters, flashing lights and red alert sound that will inform people that the past Trek was not erased, all the dvds were not scratched and the new movie takes place in a new alternate universe.
This forum really needs a sticky with capital, bold letters, flashing lights and red alert sound that will inform people that the past Trek was not erased, all the dvds were not scratched and the new movie takes place in a new alternate universe.
Not so. I've been a fan for 35 years. I think the new movie with it's ALTERNATE TIMELINE is fantastic!! The new movie can't be accused of ignoring canon since canon isn't yet set in this reality. It's a new canon. If you take it as such, you should have no problem with the new movie. The original canon still exists, that universe is still out there, this one runs alongside it in another reality.
Listen, the new movie is great fun and takes nothing from the classic Trek that I grew up with and love dearly. If you want, take this like one of the old Marvel 'What if?' comics. This movie won't ruin classic Trek for you. It is and always will be there. But the Trek universe is big enough for this movie as well.
You're working off the flawed assumption that there's only one sort of Time Travel in the Star Trek Universe(es).
The existence of Sela in the "restored" timeline is a powerful indication that the "war" timeline was not erased.
For fucks sake..
This forum really needs a sticky with capital, bold letters, flashing lights and red alert sound that will inform people that the past Trek was not erased, all the dvds were not scratched and the new movie takes place in a new alternate universe.
Alternate timelines and alternate universes are not the same thing...
This is true.
However, we've no reason to believe that the studio had any real intention of revisiting Star Trek, period, on the screen at all apart from this movie (Kerner burning up his development money on the Jendressen script on his way out the door notwithstanding). So it's really a difference which makes no difference.
I'd like to see this petition of tens of thousands of "real trekkers" boycotting the film
.No to mention, anybody who abandons the term "trekkie" for "trekker" is a douchebag anyway.
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