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Why I Couldn't Get Through Enterprise

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i couldn't get through star trek: enterprise" because of t'pol (the show's vulcan)'s loss of her ability to control her emotions completely

it really pissed me off

also, i understand how it was before the federation's codes and such, but they portrayed humans and bumbling idiots who had no respect for chain of command and who wanted to impose human morality and way of life on every species. the fact that t'pol ESPECIALLY didn't take offense to this (as a vulcan) angered me the most. And the fact that they decided to neuter her of what makes her a vulcan made me sick
 
I gave up on Enterprise once T'Pol and Trip got jiggy wit it. Fonzie's shark escapades had nothing on that nonsense.
 
When T'pol met up with those Vulcans who embraced their emotions I was kind of hoping that she'd eventually choose to embrace them. That would make her different from Spock and Tuvok, and Seven of Nine. It would have been neat. Archer was a human pioneer out exploring uncharted regions of space for new reasons, and T'Pol could be the vulcan exploring unknown emotions.

But I didn't like crazy drug-addict T'pol. It added some new layers to the plot but it sort of came at the expense of her respectability.
 
i couldn't get through star trek: enterprise" because of t'pol (the show's vulcan)'s loss of her ability to control her emotions completely

it really pissed me off

also, i understand how it was before the federation's codes and such, but they portrayed humans and bumbling idiots who had no respect for chain of command and who wanted to impose human morality and way of life on every species. the fact that t'pol ESPECIALLY didn't take offense to this (as a vulcan) angered me the most. And the fact that they decided to neuter her of what makes her a vulcan made me sick
So let me get this straight, you couldn't get through a television series because of ... like three episodes?
 
I couldn't get through Enterprise because of the acting - the worst I've seen on Trek.

Archer - Scott Bakula, normally an actor with a lot of range so I'm baffled why he was so bad. Archer had two expression - I'm confused and I'm constipated and all out of laxatives.

Mayweather - Constantly and consistantly outacted by the dog....

I could go on and on - the english guy who thought that channeling Jim dale circa 1970s carry on movies was a good choice...
 
I think T'Pol and Vulcans in general were one of ENT's best features.

i couldn't get through star trek: enterprise" because of t'pol (the show's vulcan)'s loss of her ability to control her emotions completely

The show showed that Vulcan's weren't just what we might have expected from what we saw in previous Trek series. I liked the way tried to show that Vulcan society and philosophy had evolved over time - human societies change over time too.

also, i understand how it was before the federation's codes and such, but they portrayed humans and bumbling idiots who had no respect for chain of command and who wanted to impose human morality and way of life on every species.

Given the way we have attempted to do that to other human societies in the past, it isn't that surprising. The Prime Directive and all the more enlightened attitudes of the 24th centuary probably didn't spring fully-formed from nowhere on mankind's first major intersteller foray.

the fact that t'pol ESPECIALLY didn't take offense to this (as a vulcan) angered me the most. And the fact that they decided to neuter her of what makes her a vulcan made me sick

I liked the character of T'Pol, as I said and the why she lost some of her Vulcan characteristics made for a more interesting series, IMHO. Isolated from the rest of her species and their influences, she succumbs to alien ideas - her Trellium addiction could well have come about as from the forced mind-meld she was subjected to, for example.

Her final scene with Archer in TATV was rather poignant, I thought - she seemed to be isolated - no longer quite Vulcan but (obviously) not human either. A much more interesting character development than starting off Vulcan and getting to the end unchanged in any way.

Her subtle sense of humour and clear understanding of humans made her one of the best ENT characters, IMHO.

Vulcan society is portrayed as a rather unpleasent one in ENT, obviously it changed before TOS - it could have been interesting if ENT had showed what caused it to change.
 
I initially disliked Enterprise because the idea of a prequel series didn't sound that appealing .....

But then later, watched "Regeneration" out of curiosity, as to what Enterprise would do with the Borg.

And then after watching the Season 2 finale, decided that maybe Enterprise might be worth watching after all.
 
I didn't like ENT's portrayal of Vulcans. I thought they were made too antagonistic, and always at the expense of making the human characters, particularly, Archer look better. That being said, I also didn't like how humans were portrayed. Though they had far less space experience than just about any other race featured on the show, humans were always right and human values predominated.

Personally I didn't want T'Pol really exploring her emotions. We've seen that before to some extent with Spock and Tuvok. Or at least the conflict between Vulcan logic and emotion. Why couldn't a human explore, or find value in Vulcan logic for instance? That's something we haven't really seen before.

T'Pol's additions to the logic v. emotion debate were muddled to me. For one, the whole addiction thing was stupid. Why would she need to take drugs to experience emotions she already has? All she would have to do is let down her mental guards. Also, I didn't really care for the mind meld being a dirty thing issue, though the Vulcan Reformation arc thankfully cleaned up a lot of the damage I felt ENT had done to the Vulcans. Though to be fair, I noticed this skewed portrayal of Vulcans as aloof, arrogant, and antagonistic first on DS9, "Take me Out to the Holosuite".

As for the rest of the cast. I don't think Archer was a well drawn out character. They had him mainly fighting his dead father's battles, and not being his own man at first. But in Season 3 he really grew as a character and I finally could really see him being a credible commander. Unfortunately, all of the characters took a back seat to plot-driven stories in Season 4 and we didn't much more development from Archer except perhaps in the episode "Home".

Trip seemed to become the focus of the writers and it allowed his character to shine the brightest.

Hoshi, Travis, Phlox, and Malcolm were woefully underdeveloped, Travis and Hoshi the worst of all. With Hoshi, they pinned this bad girl, martial arts thing on her in the fourth season out of the blue, and Travis never got beyond the deer in head light's characterization from the first season.

So, characterization was an Achilles heel for ENT. Especially in an age of drama where compelling characters like House for example were drawing people in. ENT's characters were bland. Even compared to the rest of the Treks, there was very little about ENT's characters that stood out. Which is a shame because the prequel format gave the writers a chance to do something different, to show us less polished characters. To some extent I do think the writers tried that, but their attempts were so-so.

That being said, I liked Seasons 3 & 4 of ENT during its initial run. Now, I no longer revile Seasons 1 & 2 as I once did.
 
i couldn't get through star trek: enterprise" because of t'pol (the show's vulcan)'s loss of her ability to control her emotions completely

it really pissed me off

also, i understand how it was before the federation's codes and such, but they portrayed humans and bumbling idiots who had no respect for chain of command and who wanted to impose human morality and way of life on every species. the fact that t'pol ESPECIALLY didn't take offense to this (as a vulcan) angered me the most. And the fact that they decided to neuter her of what makes her a vulcan made me sick
So let me get this straight, you couldn't get through a television series because of ... like three episodes?
that's a really close minded thing to say. it only takes one episode or inconsistency to totally throw off any series. if there was an enterprise episode that totally discredited the thing you loved most about star trek in itself wouldn't that piss you off? wouldn't you stop watching the show?
any series like star trek with die hard fans such as ourselves has a responsibility to the fans to stay consistent with what we know for fact.

the portrayal of any species in this horrible series is just deplorable. from humans to vulcans.
 
So let me get this straight, you couldn't get through a television series because of ... like three episodes?
that's a really close minded thing to say. it only takes one episode or inconsistency to totally throw off any series.
I think that's a close-minded thing to say. You stopped watching a television series because of one story thread and denied yourself some wonderful stories that followed. The thing is, it's not like the series was only about the T'Pol or the Vulcans.

if there was an enterprise episode that totally discredited the thing you loved most about star trek in itself wouldn't that piss you off? wouldn't you stop watching the show?
Sure, it would piss me off. But I wouldn't stop watching the show. But of course you are entitled to your own opinion and viewing habits. :)

any series like star trek with die hard fans such as ourselves has a responsibility to the fans to stay consistent with what we know for fact.
I can't agree with that. The series has no responsibility whatsoever. (Apart from being entertaining.) I'd rather want bold, new and entertaining stories than something that religiously adheres to canon.

the portrayal of any species in this horrible series is just deplorable. from humans to vulcans.
Since you haven't seen the later part of the series I'm inclined to ask how you'd know.
 
I got through ENT, but just barely. I've seen my favorite TOS, TNG and DS9 episodes countless times, but I've only watched each ENT episode once, with only 1-2 exceptions.
 
Why couldn't a human explore, or find value in Vulcan logic for instance? That's something we haven't really seen before.

I was trying exactly that in a fanfic, but I've slammed up against the wall of my own inadequate imagination.
 
Enterprise had its rough moments during the first two seasons, but I think it definitely improved during the last two seasons. Except for Archer, he became more insufferable as series when on. However, I found ways to express my frustration with that part of the series and focused on what I enjoyed. I, personally, enjoyed the way that Enterprise portrayed the Vulcans. They were much closer to T'Pau, T'Pring, and Stonn (from TOS) than any of the later post-TNG Vulcans would be.
 
I got through ENT, but just barely. I've seen my favorite TOS, TNG and DS9 episodes countless times, but I've only watched each ENT episode once, with only 1-2 exceptions.

I'm not quite as extreme but I'm with you. I had tremendous hope for this show. I wanted a strong and heroic captain that would be worthy of the history that he/she and his/her crew would be making, but I never got it. No fault of Bakula's. In fact, he and the actors who portrayed Malcolm, Trip, Phlox, and Hoshi were very good. Travis and T'Pol's actors, not so much. The writing on this show is what hurt it most. The writers should've made it more of an ensamble cast show and explored the other characters much more. I never warmed to either Archer or T'Pol, and she was just plain annoying all of the time. Every other Vulcan I saw in these shows was considerably better written and acted.
 
So let me get this straight, you couldn't get through a television series because of ... like three episodes?
that's a really close minded thing to say. it only takes one episode or inconsistency to totally throw off any series.
I think that's a close-minded thing to say. You stopped watching a television series because of one story thread and denied yourself some wonderful stories that followed. The thing is, it's not like the series was only about the T'Pol or the Vulcans.

I think you both meant to use the word "closed-minded." :p
 
that's a really close minded thing to say. it only takes one episode or inconsistency to totally throw off any series.
I think that's a close-minded thing to say. You stopped watching a television series because of one story thread and denied yourself some wonderful stories that followed. The thing is, it's not like the series was only about the T'Pol or the Vulcans.

I think you both meant to use the word "closed-minded." :p
No, I meant "close-minded".
 
Welcome to the forum. Good discussion and I think many of the points are valid.

Why couldn't a human explore, or find value in Vulcan logic for instance? That's something we haven't really seen before.

I think Archer did find value in logic, both figuratively (through his ongoing work relationship with T'Pol) and literally (like in The Forge).
 
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