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Why hasn't there been more from Star Trek actors in support of Obama?

Re: Why hasn't there been more from Star Trek actors in support of Oba

^I thought the Bajoran/Cardssian situation was about the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. Insurrection was more along the lines of the Trail of Tears.

I think they both are, but Insurrection focuses more on the aspect of foreign complicity (i.e. the Federation is analogous to America in the Israeli/Palestinian conflict).
 
Re: Why hasn't there been more from Star Trek actors in support of Oba

Has Star Trek become so less culturally relevant in recent years that there are no comments or interviews from Star Trek actors of African American descent on the possibility of a Barack Obama United States presidency?

Assuming African-American Trek stars would support Obama is a bit racist, but suggesting it is more important to hear from them than from Trek stars of other ethnicities is more racist. Perhaps these actors find themselves in a certain tax bracket wherein they are not really excited about having the government take more of their money away.
 
Re: Why hasn't there been more from Star Trek actors in support of Oba

Assuming African-American Trek stars would support Obama is a bit racist, but suggesting it is more important to hear from them than from Trek stars of other ethnicities is more racist. Perhaps these actors find themselves in a certain tax bracket wherein they are not really excited about having the government take more of their money away.
How could a franchise that once acknowledged the importance of Nichelle Nichols's meeting with Martin Luther King, Jr. and her inter-racial kiss with William Shatner, episodes like "A Private Little War" being an allegory for the Vietnam War, the first space shuttle named Enterprise, and celebrated "firsts" such as Avery Brooks as the first African American captain and Kate Mulgrew as the first woman captain, not to mention countless public figures and professionals who have been influenced by this show all of sudden have a fanbase that consider this very topic "inconsequential" when it comes to social and political discourse?

Have most fans become so cynical nowadays that they just view Star Trek as entertainment and not care about any of its cultural impact in the United States and abroad?
 
Re: Why hasn't there been more from Star Trek actors in support of Oba

And maybe some celebrities are just classy enough not to use their status as a soapbox.
 
Re: Why hasn't there been more from Star Trek actors in support of Oba

Has Star Trek become so less culturally relevant in recent years that there are no comments or interviews from Star Trek actors of African American descent on the possibility of a Barack Obama United States presidency?

Maybe not everyone sips Ogasm-flavored Kool-Aid.
 
Re: Why hasn't there been more from Star Trek actors in support of Oba

Perhaps not all of the Trek actors are for Obama. Or perhaps they just do not feel the need to publically endorse the candidate they are voting for.
 
Re: Why hasn't there been more from Star Trek actors in support of Oba

Just realized: isn't Wil Wheaton a libertarian? I think that's pretty cool of him.
 
Re: Why hasn't there been more from Star Trek actors in support of Oba

The Star Trek fanbase is also more diverse now, compared to the early days of Trek. Even conservatives like Star Trek these days, thus there are many differing views within the Trek community. Some who used to be leftist liberals have become conservatives in their old age :rommie:. Others may have grown up in conservative homes, but now are more moderate/liberal (like me).

Exactly. I think the blanket assumption that one must hold, Borglike, to the same political ideology in order to be a Trek fan is ridiculous. It does mean I have a different take on the way things played out in the Trekiverse at times--and my beliefs may well be part of the reason I wound up a Niner--but I still appreciate the show very much in my own way.

While Hollywood is not as ideologically diverse (or at least those who ARE different fear to stick out unless they have a lot of prestige), there is no reason to assume that all of the actors/actresses WANT to be major activists. Some of the Trek cast may well want to lead more private lives...may not like the way some Trek fans hang on their every word. Maybe they want people to think for themselves so that their conclusions, whether they agree or disagree with theirs, are truly THEIR OWN.
 
Re: Why hasn't there been more from Star Trek actors in support of Oba

Spoken like a true, non-African American.

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Sadly it is quotes like this that do the most damage. Very separatist and racist. How can someone strive for equality and yet not be willing to accept it as it nears?

As the majority of white voters in America prepare to vote for a mixed race candidate and make him president, maybe it is time for Star Trek to move on to other issues.
 
Re: Why hasn't there been more from Star Trek actors in support of Oba

Sadly it is quotes like this that do the most damage. Very separatist and racist. How can someone strive for equality and yet not be willing to accept it as it nears?

As the majority of white voters in America prepare to vote for a mixed race candidate and make him president, maybe it is time for Star Trek to move on to other issues.
What you are saying is that the same "Star Trek" that once took pride in the fact that the late-Rev Martin Luther King, Jr. told Nichelle Nichols to remain on Star Trek when she wanted to leave after its 1st season due to the bigotry and racism she herself experienced from people at Desilu Studios because it opened doors in the way African Americans are viewed positively in the media is no longer the same Star Trek that it is today 40 years later? Inspite of Star Trek being a big Hollywood cashcow, doesn't it count for something for the way it has had an influence in American culture for many decades after the 1960's? Does this not have any bearing at all to what is happening in the American political landscape 40 years later today?
 
Re: Why hasn't there been more from Star Trek actors in support of Oba

No. What I am saying is that this is not the same America as 40 years ago. There are issues that need to be addressed, but not necessarily the same issues as 40 years ago. Nor do the same methods work the way they did then.

By the way, Voyager and Enterprise did dial with issues, maybe not the issues you feel affect you personally, but issues that affect others.
 
Re: Why hasn't there been more from Star Trek actors in support of Oba

What you are saying is that the same "Star Trek" that once took pride in the fact that the late-Rev Martin Luther King, Jr. told Nichelle Nichols to remain on Star Trek when she wanted to leave after its 1st season due to the bigotry and racism she herself experienced from people at Desilu Studios because it opened doors in the way African Americans are viewed positively in the media is no longer the same Star Trek that it is today 40 years later? Inspite of Star Trek being a big Hollywood cashcow, doesn't it count for something for the way it has had an influence in American culture for many decades after the 1960's? Does this not have any bearing at all to what is happening in the American political landscape 40 years later today?


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Re: Why hasn't there been more from Star Trek actors in support of Oba

^^^

Then, what does Star Trek mean to you?

What does it represent?

Is it just another "vapid" entertainment like most TV shows that have been produced over the decades, or did it also serve as a vehicle for ideas, issues, culture, politics, literature, history, and discourse that have permeated the cultural lexicon of the United States and abroad for the last 40 years?
 
Re: Why hasn't there been more from Star Trek actors in support of Oba

News flash: Star Trek was designed primarily to be an entertaining show, not a soapbox. Of course, the people involved did include relevant messages in the shows, and the multi-ethnic casting puts the show ahead of most of its peers in color-blindness.

Anyhow, what former Star Trek actors do or say only reflects their views and not the show or the franchise. If Takei, Nichols, Russ, Frakes, Picardo, Brooks, or any other actor campaigns for certain candidates or issues, it does nothing to make the shows they worked on more socially relevant. It simply means that they are politically active individuals.

By the way, take the Nichelle Nichols/MLK Jr. story with a giant grain of salt. It has morphed and grown throughout the years in the retelling.
 
Re: Why hasn't there been more from Star Trek actors in support of Oba

It's entertainment and drama that has an interesting setting and occasionally throws in a good message.

Actually, this is as close to my opinion as possible. Well said Captain X, in the fewest words.
 
Re: Why hasn't there been more from Star Trek actors in support of Oba

Agreed. The messages are there for those ready to see them.
 
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