Why George R.R. Martin was rejected as TNG writer

Discussion in 'Star Trek: The Next Generation' started by RAMA, Oct 28, 2020.

  1. Sci

    Sci Admiral Admiral

    Mar 2, 2002
    Montgomery County, State of Maryland
    I can't speak to his novels, as I haven't read them. But Martin's teleplays for Game of Thrones -- he wrote episodes 1x08 "The Pointy End," 2x09 "Blackwater," 3x07 "The Bear and the Maiden Fair," and 4x02 "The Lion and the Rose" -- are genuinely wonderful.

    For an example of Martin's skill in a teleplay, this video is a really good overview of how Martin is able to take a relatively simple scene full of exposition, and turn it into a compelling drama about how Joffrey, a teenage king, vies with and fails to gain power over his grandfather/prime minister, Tywin Lannister:

    He may go overboard in his novels, but when he's writing under the imposed constraints of a teleplay, George R.R. Martin is truly a master at building compelling drama.

    The first four seasons of Game of Thrones, when the series was based on the published books and Martin was an active co-producer and writer, are truly some of the greatest television ever produced. They are more than worth your time.

    The last four seasons, when Martin was no longer active with the show and they started to run out of published novels to hew to... eh. They're fine. Except for the penultimate episode.
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  2. Mage

    Mage Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Jun 17, 2007
    I should have been more clear. I did actually see seasons 1 and 2, with a part of 3. Not my thing I'm afraid
  3. publiusr

    publiusr Vice Admiral Admiral

    Mar 22, 2010
    He also did Tuf Voyaging.
    I heard it said that when Martin offered to write science fiction, he was told that Trek wasn’t sci-fi but about human stories.
  4. Arpy

    Arpy Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Apr 22, 2001
    He had Troi and Riker as siblings, Picard in stage IV Irumodic Syndrome on the bridge, and Geordi making love to Berengarian dragons on the holodeck in the pilot. Also, Data could only say the word “data” for some mysterious reason that would not be revealed until season 5. Roddenberry threw him out a window...out of love for Star Trek.
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  5. Orphalesion

    Orphalesion Commodore Commodore

    Oct 19, 2014
    As far as I'm concerned Blackwater is the best Episode of the whole series. Everything about it is perfect. The action. The character parts (especially the exploration and contrast between Cersei and Sansa ) the suspense. I hadn't read the novels at that point so I was really in suspense on how the whole thing would end.

    They are not fine... Especially not in comparison to some of the novel storylines they refused to adapt. No spoilers here, both both Ayra and Sansa go on far more complex, interesting journeys. And Dorne is pretty much the opposite of what we saw.
    (There is some good in Novels 4 and 5, they just, imho, drown in their own excess overall)

    Also as soona s they ran out (or just rejected) novel material they changed (probably unwittingly) one crucial thing that made Martin's writing in Song of Ice and Fire so excellent.
    In seasons 1-4 the plot, complications and consequences arose from the personalities and flaws of the characters, by and large.
    in season 5-8 the characters were bent and changed (and often dumbed down, especially in the case of Littlefinger, Tyrion and Margaery) to fit the plot DnD wanted to force on them.
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  6. Mister Spock

    Mister Spock Commander Red Shirt

    Nov 24, 2013
    North London, England
    If he'd been commissioned to write for the first season, he'd still be working on the pre-credits teaser by the time All Good Things... was broadcast.
  7. Jonesy

    Jonesy Commodore Commodore

    Jan 7, 2003
    Nah, he would have been run off by Leonard Maizlish :)
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  8. diankra

    diankra Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Jun 22, 2005
    If he had written for TNG, it would have been jobbing writer, not creator of Game of Thrones. Don't back project.
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  9. TheAdmiralty

    TheAdmiralty Commander Red Shirt

    Jul 8, 2014
    Berman seems like too much of a square to go for characters doing plot exposition while naked to get the audience to pay more attention.
  10. Orphalesion

    Orphalesion Commodore Commodore

    Oct 19, 2014
    Have you even seen Enterprise? If the network had allowed them to have the characters naked during that decon gel rubbing nonsense, I reckon they would have made them naked.
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