Why does Vaders suit make him slow and less powerful?

[hyzmarca]

Vader vs. Grievous...I think Grievous' lungs were good, while Anakins were barely working and required an oxygen rich mixture. Of course, it's absurd that with all the tech they couldn't fix Anakin's lungs, but that goes back to Palpatine keeping Vader a semi-cripple.

That's not that surprising. Star Wars medical tech is schitzo, just like everything else (gigaton laser cannons and Napoleonic infantry squares do not belong in the same universe). Women dieing in childbirth is still common enough that no one thinks its odd. Droid doctors can't diagnose or treat basic complications. It seems like everything is done with Bacta and their biotech pretty well sucks horribly, outside of cloning. I don't think that they know how to do live organ transplants. I'm not sure anyone in universe has even considered the possibility.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I don't think that they know how to do live organ transplants.

Perhaps they just ask "Can we have your liver, then?"

 

[RoJoHen]

Half of his midichlorians got eaten by lava!

OT Vader has the same midichlorian count as PT Anakin.

I was not even remotely being serious, but thanks for feeling the need to correct me.

 

[Satyrquaze]

That's not that surprising. Star Wars medical tech is schitzo, just like everything else (gigaton laser cannons and Napoleonic infantry squares do not belong in the same universe). Women dieing in childbirth is still common enough that no one thinks its odd. Droid doctors can't diagnose or treat basic complications. It seems like everything is done with Bacta and their biotech pretty well sucks horribly, outside of cloning. I don't think that they know how to do live organ transplants. I'm not sure anyone in universe has even considered the possibility.

Interesting that their tech allows them to clone one entire person several million times over, but you lose a limb and cyborg time.

 

[R. Star]

Wow, this conversation is being taken way seriously than the subject matter. Why does Vader move so slow? Because he was cast in the 70's before CGI fighting. That's why. As mentioned earlier, if the OT was made today, Vader would have rockets, blasters coming out of his arms, force lightning coming out of his ass and be able to transform into a TIE Fighter Transformers style.

Just take it at face value people. How many times in the OT would R2's rockets and what not have been useful?

 

[CorporalCaptain]

How many times in the OT would R2's rockets and what not have been useful?

FYI, I almost cried when boosters came out of R2's legs, and they wouldn't have been tears of joy either.

 

[Satyrquaze]

Wow, this conversation is being taken way seriously than the subject matter. Why does Vader move so slow? Because he was cast in the 70's before CGI fighting. That's why. As mentioned earlier, if the OT was made today, Vader would have rockets, blasters coming out of his arms, force lightning coming out of his ass and be able to transform into a TIE Fighter Transformers style.

Sadly, given how far Lucas' mind has gone over the last 20 years this is likely true.

Just take it at face value people. How many times in the OT would R2's rockets and what not have been useful?

Clearly, the rockets were removed to allow for more memory.

 

[Set Harth]

Droid doctors can't diagnose or treat basic complications.

Wrong.

 

[the G-man]

I always saw it as Vader appeared to move slow because he was basically an unstoppable, methodical, killing machine. He didn't need stealth or speed because he had no match and very little was a threat to him.

Furthermore, in the OT there were examples of him moving fast when need be, such as during the first death star dogfight and later when he blocked Han's blaster ray with his hand.

Maybe this is a difference in perception based on exposure to media outside of the OT? Growing up with the movies that's how I had perceived Vader as well. I've always thought what made him great as a villain was his calmness. When a guy promotes you while nonchalantly dispatching your predecessor, that's one bad MF.

Presactly. OT Vader is "real" Vader. Slow, methodical, calm. He didn't need to be fast because no one could stop him. Furthermore, even his 'aside' villainy was portrayed as casual: "I find your lack of faith disturbing." "And, now, Princess, we'll discuss the location of your hidden rebel base."

 

[hyzmarca]

Droid doctors can't diagnose or treat basic complications.

Wrong.

The Senator from Naboo agrees with me.

Star Wars medicine, for the most part, is incredibly shitty.

But that makes sense. Star Wars is meant to emulate old-school Republic serials and pulp magazines, which significantly predate modern medicine. .

 

[Dream]

I always thought the lightsaber duels in ESB and ROTJ were fine.

But the duel in ANH between Vader and Kenobi was so bad! It was like two old men fighting in slow motion. Lucas had no excuse for how bad it was. Why didn't he get an awesome sword fight choreographer from Japan? There had been plenty of great asian fighting movies made that point, just not made in Hollywood. ANH was even inspired by The Hidden Fortress, so it wasn't like Lucas had never seen an asian movie before. The only thing that saves the scene is the acting.

ANH is bursting with so many wonderful ideas and it started the whole thing, so I'm very forgiving of ANH's faults. I'm still amazed it turned out as well as it did.

 

[Dream]

The biggest sign that the Emperor was holding Vader back is that he let his guard have red armour but Vader had to have black and as everyone knows the red ones go faster.

The skills of the Emperor's guards are overrated as hell by the fanbase. I loved how Yoda knocked them out with the Force with a single gesture in ROTS.

 

[C.E. Evans]

I always thought the lightsaber duels in ESB and ROTJ were fine.

But the duel in ANH between Vader and Kenobi was so bad! It was like two old men fighting in slow motion.

Because that's how it was originally supposed to be, IIRC--a duel between two old men past their prime.

 

[Amaris]

I always saw it as Vader appeared to move slow because he was basically an unstoppable, methodical, killing machine. He didn't need stealth or speed because he had no match and very little was a threat to him.

Furthermore, in the OT there were examples of him moving fast when need be, such as during the first death star dogfight and later when he blocked Han's blaster ray with his hand.

Maybe this is a difference in perception based on exposure to media outside of the OT? Growing up with the movies that's how I had perceived Vader as well. I've always thought what made him great as a villain was his calmness. When a guy promotes you while nonchalantly dispatching your predecessor, that's one bad MF.

Presactly. OT Vader is "real" Vader. Slow, methodical, calm. He didn't need to be fast because no one could stop him. Furthermore, even his 'aside' villainy was portrayed as casual: "I find your lack of faith disturbing." "And, now, Princess, we'll discuss the location of your hidden rebel base."

Ooh! This! One of the greatest things about Vader was his almost casual villainy. He didn't have to chew the scenery, because every time he appeared, the scenery bowed to him. He had full mastery of what was going on around him, and Vader exuded that to the point where hopping around would have just been ridiculous.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Furthermore, even his 'aside' villainy was portrayed as casual: "I find your lack of faith disturbing." "And, now, Princess, we'll discuss the location of your hidden rebel base."

Just one of the reasons why the 1977 film is a masterpiece.

 

[Ian Keldon]

The Force comes from life and matter. Losing body mass results in a loss of Force ability. Since Vader ain't got no arms or legs, he lost what about 50% of his mass? And thus about 50% of his power.

I'm sure if Lucas had made the OT today, Vader's cybernetics would have made him be able to move faster than the eye could see and fly around on boot-jets

So the fattest person in the galaxy would also be the most powerful?

No, it's not about mass as weight. It's about "mass" (for want of a better word) as self. It's about the integrity of body and spirit.

The Force, as presented prior to Lucas' invention of the Magic Space Microbes, was more like the concept of Chi, and the Jedi were akin to Eastern-style mystics who spent their lives learning how to tap into and harness Chi.

Eastern mysticism emphasizes wholeness of body as a promotion of wholeness of spirit. Therefore that which makes the body less "whole" (and losing your arms and legs would certainly do that) makes your spirit and/or your ability to harness the Chi less than it could be.

 

[Ian Keldon]

Forget the midi-cholorians bullshit. No one screwed with Vader for 30 years. How was he less powerful? The only one who stood a chance against him was his own son.

Vader was for all intents and purposes the 2nd most powerful Force user in the galaxy...no non-Force user was going to ever have much of a chance against him. That's why they didn't mess with him. Only after Luke, in the prime of life and arguably at the height of his raw Force powers began training as a Jedi did he become a significant threat to Vader personally.

 

[sidious618]

Maybe he's like Jerry Seinfeld. "I choose not to run!"

 

[Ian Keldon]

That's not that surprising. Star Wars medical tech is schitzo, just like everything else (gigaton laser cannons

As an aside, this has never been established outside of books like the Incredible Cross Sections books that were deliberately written that way by a veteran Star Trek vs Star Wars debater (pro-Wars side) who happened to get the assignment. It was a pathetic attempt at rigging the debate, and still didn't work as (per Lucas) only the films (and now Clone Wars series) are canon.

Women dieing in childbirth is still common enough that no one thinks its odd. Droid doctors can't diagnose or treat basic complications.

Padme wasn't having "basic complications", her spirit was broken and she didn't want to live. The medical droid says as much.

It seems like everything is done with Bacta and their biotech pretty well sucks horribly, outside of cloning. I don't think that they know how to do live organ transplants. I'm not sure anyone in universe has even considered the possibility.

There's no theoretical reason they couldn't do either, though with their advanced cybernetics, it might be easier to simply use an artificial organ which can be put in anyone rather than have to hunt and hunt for a compatible donor and deal with tissue rejection.

I always thought the lightsaber duels in ESB and ROTJ were fine.

But the duel in ANH between Vader and Kenobi was so bad! It was like two old men fighting in slow motion.

Because that's how it was originally supposed to be, IIRC--a duel between two old men past their prime.

Lucas in one of the "extras" for one of the movies pretty much says just that. IIRC he described it as a fight between a "tired old man and a cripple".

 

[sonak]

real reason is the same reason old Obi-Wan is slow during ANH but an even older Count Dooku is much faster in AOTC: limitations of the time the OT was made.

Of course, now you can explain it with the midichlorians, but if that's the reason, than Yoda's quote about size is, as another poster put it, totally demolished by that explanation.


The amount of "body" Anakin has left should have nothing to do with his Force power, or else Ki-Adi Mundi is a much better Jedi than Yoda by a significant factor.

midichlorians should never have been introduced into SW-they added very little to the PT and contradicted a lot that came before.