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Why does the Kelvin look ahead of its time?
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Personally I think we should all just forget TOS and how things looked there. It doesn't look like OUR future. It was the future of the 60s. The future of the 00s is clearly different. We cannot accept that what was portrayed as the 2200s in the 1960s is what could possibly come after what we have now in the 2000s. It's just entirely illogical. Some things like the design of the Enterprise I can accept, or the uniform in general. But the design of the bridge? I'm totally cool with that being changed completely.
What makes you think they use one uniform for everything? Would you be welding in any of the uniforms seen on Star Trek? Maybe the engineering suit in TMP, but that's all I can think of.
Maybe it was hot on the Kelvin that day due to the radiators not working, or something.
Still ,what makes it look more advanced? There must be some specific elements.
I can only assume that the original poster compares the Kelvin to the TOS Enterprise.
I don't believe it does. Didn't think it of the NX-01, either.
Have no quibble with the uniforms, for that matter. All of those things were fine.
I don't think it looked substantially ahead of its time - at least no more than 40 years of production advancements and a big budget can't account for.
Imagine, for example, had the film depicted a Prime version of the TOS ship exterior and interiors, just improved and additionally detailed to modern production quality. "Higher powered lens" and all that.
Imagine, for example, had the film depicted a Prime version of the TOS ship exterior and interiors, just improved and additionally detailed to modern production quality. "Higher powered lens" and all that.
To be perfectly logical here, jumpsuits are not unheard of, and the Kelvin has many things that progress naturally from enterprise:
The basic Bridge aesthetic makes her look more used, the circular arrengement matches the TOS sensibility.
In the Original timeline, the ships would gradually advance, requiring fewer crew members for the Constitution class ships, and the Jumpsuit uniforms would be gradually replaced with what we saw in The Cage and TOS.
The destruction of the Kelvin probably had some ripples throughout Starfleet, since this encounter would mark the return to the Romulans, and this would cause a shift in the thinking of Starfleet.
Engineers studying the Narada's logs might find some ideas that would normally develop later, but with resources being reallocated to lokk into these new ideas, the Constitution class project may have been delayed, leading to the Enterprise being launched in 2258 rather than 2245, and incorporating changes and advances that would normally not have surfaced until the 2270s (ST:TMP).
Some of the advances originally introduced in the Constitution class may not have been incorporated, leading to the necessity of a larger spaceframe, and a larger crew complement for Starfleet vessels, and the more industrial Engineering design.
Also, the thinking behind the Riverside Shipyards being the build site for the Enterprise may be because those Shipyards were placed there (instead of San Francisco) in honor of George Kirk's death on the Kelvin. (Notice the Kelvin-shaped salt shaker Kirk shakes just as Pike leaves the Starfleet Bar).
For most of this, it is likely that not all could be explained in a dramatic form without bogging the film down in details that did not help tell the story.
The above text is simply my idea as to why many things may be different after the Narada's incursion.
The basic Bridge aesthetic makes her look more used, the circular arrengement matches the TOS sensibility.
In the Original timeline, the ships would gradually advance, requiring fewer crew members for the Constitution class ships, and the Jumpsuit uniforms would be gradually replaced with what we saw in The Cage and TOS.
The destruction of the Kelvin probably had some ripples throughout Starfleet, since this encounter would mark the return to the Romulans, and this would cause a shift in the thinking of Starfleet.
Engineers studying the Narada's logs might find some ideas that would normally develop later, but with resources being reallocated to lokk into these new ideas, the Constitution class project may have been delayed, leading to the Enterprise being launched in 2258 rather than 2245, and incorporating changes and advances that would normally not have surfaced until the 2270s (ST:TMP).
Some of the advances originally introduced in the Constitution class may not have been incorporated, leading to the necessity of a larger spaceframe, and a larger crew complement for Starfleet vessels, and the more industrial Engineering design.
Also, the thinking behind the Riverside Shipyards being the build site for the Enterprise may be because those Shipyards were placed there (instead of San Francisco) in honor of George Kirk's death on the Kelvin. (Notice the Kelvin-shaped salt shaker Kirk shakes just as Pike leaves the Starfleet Bar).
For most of this, it is likely that not all could be explained in a dramatic form without bogging the film down in details that did not help tell the story.
The above text is simply my idea as to why many things may be different after the Narada's incursion.
I woulnd't say Kelvin looks ahead of its time. It pretty much does fit in between ST:ENT and classic Star Trek: it has a saucer, one nacelle and a secondary hull, without any flashy TMP stuff. If anything, Kelvin looks more primitive than Enterprise, with its unpainted, paneled hull and a somewhat clumsy nacelle.
Enteprise, on the other hand, DOES look more modern. That's because it was built some 20 years later compared to original timeline; thus basically using TMP-era technologies from scratch. She's a new ship, the most modern ship in Starfleet. Alternate Enterprise compared to original Enterprise are like Ent-D compared to Ent-C. Two different generations.
But Kelvin, no... Kelvin fits right in as a ship contemporary to original Enterprise.
Enteprise, on the other hand, DOES look more modern. That's because it was built some 20 years later compared to original timeline; thus basically using TMP-era technologies from scratch. She's a new ship, the most modern ship in Starfleet. Alternate Enterprise compared to original Enterprise are like Ent-D compared to Ent-C. Two different generations.
But Kelvin, no... Kelvin fits right in as a ship contemporary to original Enterprise.
Because this:
would look stupid for a movie released in 2009.
Yeah, waaaaaaaaay too many blue stars.
Perhaps it's blue matter? A hitherto unknown Roddenberry plot device.Yeah, waaaaaaaaay too many blue stars.
Dramatic License is the ovious anwer but that is also the more boring answer. I like it when people come up with canon explanations for these type of moments. My theory is that the ship is a science ship. Do ya recall how on TNG you would sometimes see scientist like in the ep "Who Watches the Watchers" that are wearing all grey outfits even though there part of starfleet. The science guy the shows Picard where they found Data's head in San Fran also wore this outfit. I like the idea that not every ship and starfleet uniform, looked the same back in those days. You had more variety in looks.
Jason
Jason
I go with the angle that some visual elements were just re-designed... period. Things like bridge viewscreens being an actual window, or many of the freestanding transparent projected information screens and panels - that is, even if this Trek movie had shown more of the 24th century, such as the actual Enterprise-E, the E wouldn't look exactly like the E in the previous theatrical Trek movies.
Simply put, this movie updates /all/ of Star Trek's visual motifs and dispenses with anything that would have held back the coherent art design they were going for.
Think of it as a re-cast: the past continuity is the same, but the actors playing the roles - and in this case, the actor means the ships, the technology, the sets - are different.
Simply put, this movie updates /all/ of Star Trek's visual motifs and dispenses with anything that would have held back the coherent art design they were going for.
Think of it as a re-cast: the past continuity is the same, but the actors playing the roles - and in this case, the actor means the ships, the technology, the sets - are different.
Or a lot of other things. There are technologies we rely on now that in the 1960s they either couldn't comprehend or assumed they'd show up much, much later.
Stop making sense!!!!!!!
Personally, I think the original 1701 looks sexier and sleeker. Those nacelles look huge. If we're comparing it to sexy casting, it's like someone took a girl with nice C- or D-cups who represents the original design for the 1701 and replaced her with a girl with FF-cup implants.
It's a movie.
And we're apparently agreed that we can "live with that."
And we're apparently agreed that we can "live with that."
I actually do think the Kelvin looks more primitive than the Prime 1701. It has a big clunky nacelle and a big ol' chunky Baton Rouge-y saucer section. And it looks used. Really used.
