Why does The Final Frontier get so much crap?
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But it didn't parody itself. I am watching it right at the moment on SyFy and the only complaints I have on the film are the special FX and some of the direction on the action. ( Shatner directed it and if he could pull off the stunts that Kirk did in the film, why isn't that believable?) Back to the FX, I blame Paramount (yet again) for NOT wanting to pony up the horses, and putting more effort into something they didn't believe in.
Well on that note,...everyone join in...."Row, row, row your boat gently down the stream.....
That was hilarious. Three guys singing "Row, Row, Row Your Boat." Grown men. It's funny!
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Kirk: "Row, row, row your boat. I love row- do you know row, row, row, row, row your boat?"
Spock: "The song did not come up in my research, Captain."
Kirk: "The lyrics are simple. They go "row, row, row your boat, gently down the stream... Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily... lifeisbutadream."
Spock: "The song did not come up in my research, Captain."
Kirk: "The lyrics are simple. They go "row, row, row your boat, gently down the stream... Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily... lifeisbutadream."
You gonna sit there and pluck that thing or are you going to play something?....
Good night, Jim.
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I think that if Sybok had just said his vision was given to him by 'The One'(as stated in J.M. Dillard's novelization), and Kirk's line about no ship having visited or survived a trip into the center of the galaxy(remember TAS episode 'The Magisticks Of Megas-Tu'?), then the film would have been received better.
That, and a different director than Bill Shatner.
*Rex Holman(who played J'Onn)also played Morgan Earp in the third season episode 'Spectre Of The Gun'. Originally, there was supposed to be a flashback scene of that episode when Spock mind-melded with Kirk, McCoy, and Scotty. Why that scene was scarpped, it's hard to say.
That, and a different director than Bill Shatner.
*Rex Holman(who played J'Onn)also played Morgan Earp in the third season episode 'Spectre Of The Gun'. Originally, there was supposed to be a flashback scene of that episode when Spock mind-melded with Kirk, McCoy, and Scotty. Why that scene was scarpped, it's hard to say.
The film wouldn't have had a different reception for those small nitpicks. The film story overall is poorly conceived, and it can't make up its mind about its tone. That's the problem.
Flashback to Spectre of the Gun? What do you base that assertion on?
I like it. It had a fan dance.
One thing that we should not lose sight of is the fact that movies have to appeal to a general audience, not just Trek fans. That is why, arguably, we as fans never get exactly what we want in any of the movies.
When Gene Roddenberry submitted his first proposal for Star Trek to the studio, back in 1964, they said "No. Too cerebral." Translation? They did not feel that in its original form it would have had appeal to a broad enough general tv audience to be successful. And that was at a time when trite, formulaic westerns were still very popular. Heck, in its original form Gene pitched it to the studio as a 'Wagon Train To The Stars.'
I did not mind the humor, at all. I even thought it was rather charming. Actually, it might even have been a poke at fans taking everything too damn seriously and expecting the characters to take each other too seriously.
Is it such a stretch for Starfleet to send out a ship in that condition when there is an emergency? I think not. Yes, it had its problems, but the thought could have been that even so, there was a decent shot that it would get them where they needed to go, which it did. I took it that 1701-A was the recently overhauled Yorktown. If things get a bit rushed in the refit process, problems will crop up.
You could even let the error with the numbers go and chalk it up to some sort of temporal glitch.
It all depends on how much nitpicking you want to do. Personally, I have found that a lot of movies that critics hated, I enjoyed. TFF is my favorite of the films.
At the time that TVH came out, I recall that Richard Corliss derided it as 'The Over-The-Hill Gang Rides Again.'
Ever after, I have called him Korliss.
When Gene Roddenberry submitted his first proposal for Star Trek to the studio, back in 1964, they said "No. Too cerebral." Translation? They did not feel that in its original form it would have had appeal to a broad enough general tv audience to be successful. And that was at a time when trite, formulaic westerns were still very popular. Heck, in its original form Gene pitched it to the studio as a 'Wagon Train To The Stars.'
I did not mind the humor, at all. I even thought it was rather charming. Actually, it might even have been a poke at fans taking everything too damn seriously and expecting the characters to take each other too seriously.
Is it such a stretch for Starfleet to send out a ship in that condition when there is an emergency? I think not. Yes, it had its problems, but the thought could have been that even so, there was a decent shot that it would get them where they needed to go, which it did. I took it that 1701-A was the recently overhauled Yorktown. If things get a bit rushed in the refit process, problems will crop up.
You could even let the error with the numbers go and chalk it up to some sort of temporal glitch.
It all depends on how much nitpicking you want to do. Personally, I have found that a lot of movies that critics hated, I enjoyed. TFF is my favorite of the films.
At the time that TVH came out, I recall that Richard Corliss derided it as 'The Over-The-Hill Gang Rides Again.'
Ever after, I have called him Korliss.
I wrote it in another thread: TFF was released in a year that was pretty awesome for movies. At the US box office, it was just behind The Abyss, and way in front of Licence to Kill.
In that year got released: Batman, Indiana Jones 3, Lethal Weapon 2, Look Who's Talking, Back to the Future II, Ghostbusters II, Driving Miss Daisy, Dead Poets Society, When Harry Met Sally, The War of the Roses, Christmas Vacation, Field of Dreams, Tango & Cash, Harlem Nights, Sea of Love, The Abyss, The Final Frontier, Black Rain, K-9, License to Kill!
For comparison, Star Trek Nemesis is somewhere behind Jackass: The Movie and The Tuxedo, and in front of Collateral Damage, Resident Evil and Enough.
In that year got released: Batman, Indiana Jones 3, Lethal Weapon 2, Look Who's Talking, Back to the Future II, Ghostbusters II, Driving Miss Daisy, Dead Poets Society, When Harry Met Sally, The War of the Roses, Christmas Vacation, Field of Dreams, Tango & Cash, Harlem Nights, Sea of Love, The Abyss, The Final Frontier, Black Rain, K-9, License to Kill!
For comparison, Star Trek Nemesis is somewhere behind Jackass: The Movie and The Tuxedo, and in front of Collateral Damage, Resident Evil and Enough.
^ I remember a convention where Shatner blamed the poor showing of TFF on basically the same thing you are here.
I don't recall 1986 being a bad year for movies either.
So, by that logic Star Trek IV should have done at least as horribly given:
1) Top Gun
2) Crocodile Dundee
3) Platoon
4) The Karate Kid II
5) Aliens
6) The Golden Child
7) Ferris Bueller's Day Off
8) The Color of Money
9) Stand By Me
10) The Fly
I don't recall 1986 being a bad year for movies either.
So, by that logic Star Trek IV should have done at least as horribly given:
1) Top Gun
2) Crocodile Dundee
3) Platoon
4) The Karate Kid II
5) Aliens
6) The Golden Child
7) Ferris Bueller's Day Off
8) The Color of Money
9) Stand By Me
10) The Fly
How about EVERYONE'S negativity towards Williams Shatners ego? Seems that is the most talked about subject...
I think that is effin' stupid
I think that is effin' stupid
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I like William Shatner, and Bill, Leonard and De were good friends, and if you believe the reports well before the lack of work took it's toll, most of the remaining cast liked him, too. Yeah, there were reports of him being a prick, but I'm fairly certain that most actors can be that way. I also think people didn't get Bill's sense of humor. It's mischievous, which means it's the most fun.
Yeah J., I aree we'll have to check a few decades down the road for "Todays" hits....I like William Shatner, and Bill, Leonard and De were good friends, and if you believe the reports well before the lack of work took it's toll, most of the remaining cast liked him, too. Yeah, there were reports of him being a prick, but I'm fairly certain that most actors can be that way. I also think people didn't get Bill's sense of humor. It's mischievous, which means it's the most fun.
wow a double post...lol sorry guys and gals...
I also think people didn't get Bill's sense of humor. It's mischievous, which means it's the most fun.
This.
My sense is that he has a quick wit that may keep a person on their toes.
That leering, predatory quality....
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