why does it matter if the Roddenberry vision is unrealistic?

[Jono]

Didn't he end a war by having powerful aliens appear and say, "Stop!"? The DS9 writers borrowed that, at least in terms of an alien intervention in a conflict rather than the aliens forcing the end of one.

Anyway, the DS9 writers didn't end the war with genocide, they ended it by preventing genocide. They ended the war by a person curing and saving the leader of the enemy people and giving up all he held dear to not only cure his people but try and steer them to a more accepting path.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

You do remeber that Picard hated children in those early seasons? Picard and Riker blew up Maddox's head and made a nice hole in his chest, no "Captain Goody Two-Shoes" would've done that.

"But even when we wore costumes like that we'd already started to make rapid progress." (Referring to old uniforms as costumes is derogatory.)

"I put it to you all. I think we shall end up with a fine crew, if we avoid temptation." (Preach much?)

I'd hardly call either of those preaching, McCoy was just as down on the 20th century and nobody seemed to care. I don't understand the need to bash TNG to try and make DS9 look better, it's counterproductive.

Who's bashing TNG to try and make DS9 look better?

If Picard had been on the bridge wearing something other than a standardized service uniform with rank pips and a badge when he characterized a 1980's US Marine officer's uniform as a costume, I wouldn't be thinking of him at that point of the show as a pompous hypocrite.

 

[DWF]

"But even when we wore costumes like that we'd already started to make rapid progress." (Referring to old uniforms as costumes is derogatory.)

"I put it to you all. I think we shall end up with a fine crew, if we avoid temptation." (Preach much?)

I'd hardly call either of those preaching, McCoy was just as down on the 20th century and nobody seemed to care. I don't understand the need to bash TNG to try and make DS9 look better, it's counterproductive.

Who's bashing TNG to try and make DS9 look better?

If Picard had been on the bridge wearing something other than a standardized service uniform with rank pips and a badge when he characterized a 1980's US Marine officer's uniform as a costume, I wouldn't be thinking of him at that point of the show as a pompous hypocrite.

How can a character with no estabished behavior be a hypocrite?

 

[CorporalCaptain]

I'd hardly call either of those preaching, McCoy was just as down on the 20th century and nobody seemed to care. I don't understand the need to bash TNG to try and make DS9 look better, it's counterproductive.

Who's bashing TNG to try and make DS9 look better?

If Picard had been on the bridge wearing something other than a standardized service uniform with rank pips and a badge when he characterized a 1980's US Marine officer's uniform as a costume, I wouldn't be thinking of him at that point of the show as a pompous hypocrite.

How can a character with no estabished behavior be a hypocrite?

The uniform he was wearing at the moment was hardly less ridiculous than the US Marine captain's uniform.

 

[LJones41]

VOY used and reused the Borg over and over to make their show more epic and dramatic.

"VOYAGER" used and reused the Borg? The show was set in the Delta Quadrant . . . the home of the Borg. Of course the show featured the Borg a lot. It's only natural that the ship would have countless encounters with the species. It's a miracle that Voyager's crew's initial encounter didn't begin until late Season 3. And it was "NEXT GENERATION" that introduced the idea of the Borg originating from the Delta Quadrant.

Are people really that pissed that the Borg became weakened over time? What did they expect? For the Borg to remain unbeatable throughout the series, let alone the franchise? What would have been the point of introducing them in "NEXT GENERATION" in the first place?

But that is the difference between TNG and DS9. TNG is a tv show, DS9 is a tv drama. VOY and ENT also tried to be tv dramas but it came off as mediocre.

For me, ENT was borderline mediocre. But as far as I'm concerned, TNG, DS9 and VOY were first rate to me.

 

[ichab]

Why Berman never sanctioned a true TNG crossover with DS9 during the Dominon War is beyond me and a grand misstep.

I couldn't agree more. After their success with First Contact they should have made the Dominion War the focus of the next movie. The space battles alone that we saw on T.V literally screamed MOVIE! Throw the Enterprise in there and you have the potential for a real epic battle. Mark Alaimo would have chewed up the scenery as Dukat and could have been remembered in the same way that Khan was.It would have given DS9 characters more exposure and helped drive more eyeballs to the DS9 show. IT was a HUGE screwup on Rick Berman's part.

 

[ichab]

The uniform he was wearing at the moment was hardly less ridiculous than the US Marine captain's uniform.

A marine uniform will always look better than the cheap pajamas that the TNG crew was wearing. I didn't like that comment either and it turned me off the show for quite some time. It's amazing that first season didn't sink the show because those characters really came off as condenscending pricks at times.

 

[Maurice]

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[TheSeeker]

As Maurice pointed out, this thread has been dead for over 6 years, and the OP is o longer with us. Feel free to start a new thread on the subject, but I am laying this one to rest.