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Why Does It Bother Us That Twilight is So Popular?

Whereas conventional porn is aimed at stimulating men visually (because that's how we ARE stimulated), franchises like Twilight stimulate women emotionally.

One form of porn is considered vulgar by society, the other is merely annoying or ridiculous. But there's no question, both are porn.

I'm fine with girls reading it for exactly that reason, as long as there's someone else to tell them that most relationships with men they have in their lives are probably not going to be about the guy treating them poorly and then not wanting to have sex with them.

The whole "men are only interested in one thing" idea is a scandalous insult against the entire gender, but that is not to say we do not want that thing.
 
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..... The whole "men are only interested in one thing" idea is a scandalous insult against the entire gender, but that is not to say we do not want that thing.

Agreed.... men are interested in many many things in their lives... sex is just one of many things we're interested in. I imagine it's in the top 5 things for most men, but it sure as hell isn't "The Only Thing" ..... ffs we're not gold fish..... and if any woman want's to hang onto that philosophy towards men then they're either going to eventually end up lesbian or very lonely in life.... either that or they'll be stuck with one of these men for the rest of their life out of sheer Karma.

It could be worse.... you could be stuck with a guy who doesn't find you sexually attractive and doesn't want anything to do with you physically in the first place...... suddenly a guy's high sex drive doesn't sound so bad. ;) You'd think women would eventually grow to appreciate that they're considered attractive by at least one male and it's moreso a compliment then a form of degradation.
 
My wife should like Twilight. She's into romance novels ( especially Vampire romance)and soaps, yet she wouldn't read or watch Twlight if you paid her.
 
Just saw this. :lol:

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Twilight's popularity does not bother me.

And anyone who is getting their panties in a bunch about how vampires in this series are not evil enough and shouldn't be as seductive had better not count Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Angel among their preferred shows.

The romance between Buffy and Angel was one of the best written tragedy-in-love affairs ever written for TV - rarely have I seen so much romantic and sexual tension between two characters. And if your gripe about Twilight is that vampires are not supposed to be seductive....well, clearly you have not watched much of David Boreanaz in action during the first 3 seasons of Buffy. :lol:

I have not seen Twilight, nor have I read the novels....but my feeling is that anything that gets people into scifi and fantasy (and this falls under 'fantasy') is fine by me.
 
Twilight's popularity does not bother me.

And anyone who is getting their panties in a bunch about how vampires in this series are not evil enough and shouldn't be as seductive had better not count Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Angel among their preferred shows.

The romance between Buffy and Angel was one of the best written tragedy-in-love affairs ever written for TV - rarely have I seen so much romantic and sexual tension between two characters. And if your gripe about Twilight is that vampires are not supposed to be seductive....well, clearly you have not watched much of David Boreanaz in action during the first 3 seasons of Buffy. :lol:

I have not seen Twilight, nor have I read the novels....but my feeling is that anything that gets people into scifi and fantasy (and this falls under 'fantasy') is fine by me.

In the spirit of research, and feeling that I may have been too harsh, I watched Twilight yesterday evening on Lovefilm. Having previously only seen excerpts and read the Agony Booth review, I went in with low expectations but was honestly prepared to be pleasantly surprised - after all, Buffy was the show of my late adolescence, and still one of my all time favourites.

I can confidently report that it was awful. Indescribably excruciating, from the dire, dire acting to the flimsy and entirely ridiculous plot, to the awful supporting characters, to the tacked on 'huh?' bits for later films. When you're watching a movie and the fact that half the characters are vampires is one of the more believable contrivances, you're in trouble. Batman and Robin has been granted a reprieve as my least favourite film ever. It is a masterpiece by comparison.

Why did I reply to you specifically with this? The Buffy/Angel comparison. As you say, Buffy and Angel are a wonderful 'tragic couple', and Bella and Edward clearly owe a huge debt to their impressive pop culture impact (4 years after Boreanaz left the show, what was still the defining promo image of BtVS?). But the two stories are simply incomparable.

Even taking into account the much shorter time they have in one movie to play Bella/Edward, their relationship goes from 0 to undying lifelong commitment in about 25 seconds flat. And OK, teens have that sort of romance, sure. But a) Edward is nearly 100 years old, he's no teen. b) his father, after meeting Bella all of twice, is ready to possibly sacrifice his own daughter for her because she's 'part of the family now'??

Secondly, there is no chemistry between the actors, and I mean none. Granted, it would be hard for Pattinson to achieve chemistry with what is essentially a particularly expressionless potted plant, but the two are simply not at all believable together. His character is a total dick to her for a solid third of the movie, and that bit was far more believable.

Thirdly, the 'resisting the bloodlust' thing really doesn't work here. With Angel, it worked - we got some teasing glimpses of what Angel once was, and then saw it in the flesh - he had hundreds of years of rape, death and pillage behind him, he was a dangerous guy for Buffy to fall for. Edward's most scary thing has been graduating a dozen times. He's been a 'vegetarian' from unbirth. The 'bad boy' thing simply doesn't sell when there's nothing there to back it up.

I really am sorry to rant, and I realise that it really is no business of mine what other people enjoy, but it really brought home to me just how much I do not agree. It's odd for me, seeing all this Twilight and New Moon stuff everywhere - when there's pop culture geeky hype about, I'm usually right there at the front of the queue, heck I got a kids book about wizards at midnight for crying out loud. But this time, it's someone else's craze, it's someone else's obsession. Very strange to see what is essentially us, the 'fans', from the outside.
 
It's not just that it's bad, it's that it promotes a dangerously unhealthy view of women and relationships. It's basically teaching teenaged girls that love means subjugating themselves completely to emotionally abusive and dangerous men.

I once tried arguing that as a reason why I wasn't a fan of the Twilight books on another message board, and I was ripped apart by a mother who claimed that her daughter wasn't impressionable, most teens are not impressionable, and that they look up to real people as models of behavior.

I tired to counterpoint by explaining in my role as a high school teacher, I saw teens become highly influenced by whatever was popular in the media all the time.

She then told me I was an idiot.
 
Because I can't help but feel Twilight was done so much better, and with more humour, when it was done 10 years ago and called Buffy.
 
Because I can't help but feel Twilight was done so much better, and with more humour, when it was done 10 years ago and called Buffy.

But that's the thing, other than Vampires and a girl the two have absolutely nothing in common. I'm not defending the piece of crap on its artistic merit, but Twilight takes nothing from Buffy that Buffy itself didn't take from a hundred other sources. The things they share have been done many times before, going back decades.

I wonder what Anne Rice thinks of Twilight. I wonder if Josh Whedon would have written Angel the same way as a character if it wasn't for Lestat.
 
Why does Twilight bother me?

You have a woman with no goals or ambition in life acting like a welcome mat to a man she's in an abusive relationship with. What seriously depresses me more though is it's immense popularity among women, it's almost like a vindication. Of course I realise a large pull is the bad boy image, but that in itself isn't healthy for a relationship.

It's one of the problems I had with the Doctor/Rose relationship in series two of Doctor Who.

I'm almost shocked that it was created by a woman. I say almost, since I've had the unfortunate experience of reading Sara Douglas novels*.

I actually want to write my own movie to combat the messages in this one, but that would require me to be popular and well known to get any audience. That and being a writer, having an agent and being able to retain the interest. :)

*The first series I was rather naive and shrugged it off. By the time I read a third series though I put it down in disgust.
 
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Secretly, all women want to fall in love with an undead hellbeast that wants to kill and suck the life out of everyone they meet. And vampires are sparkly.
 
And vampires are sparkly.


Was it Michael where the angel smelled like chocolate chip cookies?

Because everytime I hear that they vampires in these books/movies sparkle, I can't help but think that they must smell like chocolate chip cookies as well and I need to know what to blame for that. :shifty:
 
And vampires are sparkly.


Was it Michael where the angel smelled like chocolate chip cookies?

Michael suggested that angels smelled like some aroma that allured women. In the scene where he dances in the small-town tavern all the women comment on the different aromas Michael smells like. Cookies is what the central female character (Andie MacDowell) said he smelled like, though she didn't find Michael irresistable because he had put a "block" on her so that she would fall for William Hurt's character. Though she did note that it "got strong when [Michael] is in heat."

The whole thing is kind of odd, I'd think of I splashed on some "chocolate chip cookie cologne" there wouldn't be women finding me irresistable, I'd probably just get a lot of odd looks. There's a reason why men's colognes smell strongly of musk or something or other.
 
Twilight's popularity does not bother me.

And anyone who is getting their panties in a bunch about how vampires in this series are not evil enough and shouldn't be as seductive had better not count Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Angel among their preferred shows.

The romance between Buffy and Angel was one of the best written tragedy-in-love affairs ever written for TV - rarely have I seen so much romantic and sexual tension between two characters. And if your gripe about Twilight is that vampires are not supposed to be seductive....well, clearly you have not watched much of David Boreanaz in action during the first 3 seasons of Buffy. :lol:

I have not seen Twilight, nor have I read the novels....but my feeling is that anything that gets people into scifi and fantasy (and this falls under 'fantasy') is fine by me.

In the spirit of research, and feeling that I may have been too harsh, I watched Twilight yesterday evening on Lovefilm. Having previously only seen excerpts and read the Agony Booth review, I went in with low expectations but was honestly prepared to be pleasantly surprised - after all, Buffy was the show of my late adolescence, and still one of my all time favourites.

I can confidently report that it was awful. Indescribably excruciating, from the dire, dire acting to the flimsy and entirely ridiculous plot, to the awful supporting characters, to the tacked on 'huh?' bits for later films. When you're watching a movie and the fact that half the characters are vampires is one of the more believable contrivances, you're in trouble. Batman and Robin has been granted a reprieve as my least favourite film ever. It is a masterpiece by comparison.

Why did I reply to you specifically with this? The Buffy/Angel comparison. As you say, Buffy and Angel are a wonderful 'tragic couple', and Bella and Edward clearly owe a huge debt to their impressive pop culture impact (4 years after Boreanaz left the show, what was still the defining promo image of BtVS?). But the two stories are simply incomparable.

Even taking into account the much shorter time they have in one movie to play Bella/Edward, their relationship goes from 0 to undying lifelong commitment in about 25 seconds flat. And OK, teens have that sort of romance, sure. But a) Edward is nearly 100 years old, he's no teen. b) his father, after meeting Bella all of twice, is ready to possibly sacrifice his own daughter for her because she's 'part of the family now'??

Secondly, there is no chemistry between the actors, and I mean none. Granted, it would be hard for Pattinson to achieve chemistry with what is essentially a particularly expressionless potted plant, but the two are simply not at all believable together. His character is a total dick to her for a solid third of the movie, and that bit was far more believable.

Thirdly, the 'resisting the bloodlust' thing really doesn't work here. With Angel, it worked - we got some teasing glimpses of what Angel once was, and then saw it in the flesh - he had hundreds of years of rape, death and pillage behind him, he was a dangerous guy for Buffy to fall for. Edward's most scary thing has been graduating a dozen times. He's been a 'vegetarian' from unbirth. The 'bad boy' thing simply doesn't sell when there's nothing there to back it up.

I really am sorry to rant, and I realise that it really is no business of mine what other people enjoy, but it really brought home to me just how much I do not agree. It's odd for me, seeing all this Twilight and New Moon stuff everywhere - when there's pop culture geeky hype about, I'm usually right there at the front of the queue, heck I got a kids book about wizards at midnight for crying out loud. But this time, it's someone else's craze, it's someone else's obsession. Very strange to see what is essentially us, the 'fans', from the outside.

Well, as I said in my initial post, I have not read the novels nor seen the movie (Are there two movies now? I don't even know!)

And it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if it wasn't as good as Buffy & Angel. Because as I said, Buffy and Angel were "one of the best written tragedy-in-love affairs ever written for TV - rarely have I seen so much romantic and sexual tension between two characters".

All I'm saying is that maybe....just maybe...some of the teeny-bops out there who love this series MIGHT decide they want more...and might check out BtVS and/or Angel. And in my view, that is a 'win' for us, regardless of how terrible Twilight is or isn't.

In truth, I doubt very much that I will ever read the Twilight books, nor watch the movies. Generally speaking, SFF novels of ANY kind don't hold my attention (I think alot of them are poorly written, BTW)...and these books would likely be no exception.

But who knows? If the 'romance' in Twilight is as bad as you say it is (I don't doubt you for a second), then BtVS and Angel might well have a damn good chance with these folks, IMO.....if the BtVS/Angel fan community is smart, anyway. ;)

Worse things could happen than a resurgence of interest in Buffy and Angel. :cool:
 
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