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Why does Abrams keeps giving the middle finger to Trek fans?

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I have pretty much lost all interest in this movie. It looks like "enterprise" just on the big screen. I might borrow my neighbors DVD if he decides to rent it when it comes out on DVD.
 
Here are a few questions that might have made such a poll useful, even then:

1) How many hours of "Star Trek" do you recall watching on television in the last three months? Six months? One year?
Oh crap, it HAS been a while... maybe 0, 10 & 20. I've been busy dammit!

2) What was the last piece of "Star Trek" merchandise you purchased?
Uh oh....I bought a TOS-E model for $30 off amazon a while ago. Aside from my DVD's and a bunch of books, that's it.

3) How many "Star Trek" films have you purchased tickets to see in a theater?
*sweating profusely*
Erm...I'm not much of a theater person...

Crap, did I pass? Damn surveys. No "hangs out on the Trek internet boards" question?

You know, if Hershey were doing a marketing survey and the only question their people asked was "do you like chocolate?" they'd have pissed their money away pretty uselessly. :lol:
It really depends on how canon the chocolate is.


Most of the TOS-based films aren't very good movies.

Stop giving Trek fans the finger.

The ship is being built on the ground for one reason, and one reason only, so that JJ could have that Tom Cruise meeting his destiny shot, story logic and common sense be damned.

That's not storytelling, it's pandering to the morons.

No, it's good storytelling. Not traditional trek, but no less smart.
 
It looks like "enterprise" just on the big screen.

I wouldn't really mind that. This does look much better, though. :)

For all my qualms and problems with the NCC-1701 redesign, she is much cooler and better looking than Archer's NX-01 from a century earlier.

Well, she should look a lot cooler and more advanced since she's a century later - and now she does. That's the new canon. ;)
 
I wouldn't really mind that. This does look much better, though. :)

For all my qualms and problems with the NCC-1701 redesign, she is much cooler and better looking than Archer's NX-01 from a century earlier.

Well, she should look a lot cooler and more advanced since she's a century later - and now she does. That's the new canon. ;)
Well, let's be honest. Even the old 1960s TOS Enterprise with the old models and f/x techniques was a sexier, more beautiful ship than Archer's.;)
 
For all my qualms and problems with the NCC-1701 redesign, she is much cooler and better looking than Archer's NX-01 from a century earlier.

Well, she should look a lot cooler and more advanced since she's a century later - and now she does. That's the new canon. ;)
Well, let's be honest. Even the old 1960s TOS Enterprise with the old models and f/x techniques was a sexier, more beautiful ship than Archer's.;)

The Dinky Starfleet toys were sexier than that ship.
 
“We weren’t making a movie for fans of Star Trek. We were making a movie for fans of movies.”

I mean, fine, even the "I've never been a fan of Star Trek" comes into play here.

We all know what he's doing. Why does he need to throw it in our faces? I've come to understand the Star Trek that I know and love will be available to me in the future only in novel form-- but even with your "reimagining" of Trek, do you have to keep shitting on the life-long fans?

I'm admittedly still pretty excited about this movie because I have an open-mind, and I do "like movies." I loved Transformers, X-Men, the Incredible Hulk, and all the cheesy remakes plaguing our society ;). I think J.J. Abrams is well-suited to creating something that "most people" will actually find they enjoy, having never seen an episode of Star Trek. Remember, after Nemesis, keeping Star Trek on the big screen required nothing less than a complete overhaul-- back to the basics. I remain cautiously optimistic, but I find it unfortunate that Abrams feels the need to estrange the people who... um... still chat about Star Trek on message boards ;)


sigh. do you know what marketing is? he's saying that so people that normally wouldn't see a star trek movie will give it a chance. this is first and foremost a reboot of the franchise to entice more people and not strictly for current fans. i don't understand why people don't get that. he already knows that trek people will either give it a chance or not. that's not what they're after. believe it or not there's a certain image tied to star trek that doesn't appeal to most people and that's what he's trying to get away from and i applaud his efforts. i'm a huge trek fan and i don't mind him saying things like that because i understand what he's trying to do. just because he's doing this doesn't mean he's not a trek fan. the fact that he's given so much thought in trying to reinvigorate it shows that he's dedicated to try and make it not only a trek film but also a film that would appeal to a more broader audience. people just need to take a step back and look what he's really trying to do instead of taking every word at face value. same goes for the people who are harping about a reboot/remake. i am a huge x-men fan, but given the chance to remake the characters and the story, i'd do it so quite drastically. does that mean i don't like it? no, i just want a diff spin on things. it's called imagination. lay off the guy. he's doing a good job so far.
 
Re: Because Star Trek movies SUCK and LOOSE MONEY

IT'S THIS MOVIE OR NOTHING FOR THE FUTURE OF TREK. GET ONBOARD OR BE LEFT WITH NO NEW TREK FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE.

I agreed up until this. They said the same thing about Enterprise. See how true that was? Star Trek is just too big of a name to die permanently.

Even if what you say was true, that's a lousy reason to support a show/movie. If it turns out to be shit, then it deserves to fail.
 
Re: Because Star Trek movies SUCK and LOOSE MONEY

With 10 films and hundreds upon hundreds of episodes, we don't need to settle for mediocrity - or worse - just for the sake of having new Trek.
 
i dont agree. i saw a poll a couple of years ago that stated that 6 out of 10 americans considered themselves star trek fans.thats a huge fan base. the problem i feel has been the product that has been put out there.make a great movie and people will go and see it. its as simple as that.

That poll was bullshit. If "6 out of 10" people considered themselves "Star Trek fans" then we wouldn't be in this drought right now with no new Trek in almost 4 years. If 60% of people actually liked Star Trek then there would've have been more than enough people watching to keep Trek alive.

I'm a Star Trek fan and you couldn't have paid me to watch the pablum they were dishing out under that name the last ten years. Being a fan does not mean mindlessly tuning in for anything with the Star Trek brand name slapped on it.

The problem isn't that there aren't enough Star Trek fans, it's that Star Trek fans, like numerous other entertainment consumers, have standards and when they are presented with shit, they turn their noses up at it. They, and the people who would define themselves as "not Star Trek fans". That's why Voyager and Enterprise and Nemesis tanked. They were bad.

Paramount plainly believes there are plenty of Star Trek fans. They have to. Star Trek is their single most profitable franchise, which has kept a steady flow of money coming into their offices for 40 years. There's no other sound business reason to spend $150 million on a new movie. Because the chances that any flick can suddenly make Star Trek 'cool' and 'hip' and the next 'Gossip Girl' are pretty slim. Even given the bad judgment Parmount has displayed in regards to Trek, they aren't that friggin' stupid.

Do they want to expand that base? Of course. Would they be fine if some old hardcore nitpickers fell off in favor of a bunch of new, young fans who could conceivably spend the next 40 years sending them money? That's most likely exactly what they're hoping for. Why else hire Abrams - 'cause if you think Lost isn't a geek fest, you're nuts. It's just a geek fest that attracts hardcores and casual viewers, which they probably see as the solution to their Trek woes.

Enterprise was not bad. It was better than DS9 or Voyager. To me.
 
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