I’d really like to see ticket data...TMP made a ton of money because people went to see it a dozen times each. That was about more than it’s objective quality (it was the first new Trek in a decade for example. Well. Live action.) was IDs money from repeat viewings? More expensive 3D or IMAX tickets? Foreign language markets? There’s a bunch of factors other than quality involved...what other films was it competing with? Which of the release seasons did it land in? See we know part of the reason Nem did t do as well is t just cos it was shite, it’s cos it landed next to LotR and Harry Potter. We do know fan reaction to ID, we know what critics and audiences said. Which has more bearing on how good a movie is than ‘it shifted moneys’. That’s my point. Box Office is only one indicator of quality, and a poor one, for any metric other than ‘how much money it made’.