Been trying to wrap my head around this and I got nothin'. Any theories out there?
Why didn't Jacob fight back?
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Sure there are theories out here. Someone posed the theory that Jacob's answer to Esau's loophole was to send Jack and others back in time 30 years to set certain events into motion. We'll see next season.
Obviously he wanted Ben to kill him because he egged him on with his rude little comments and indifference towards Ben.
Some believe that Jacob sent the Losties back in time to change the timeline so that Jacob is "saved" and was never killed by Ben. But this doesn't make sense to me because if the whole story is based on Jacob trying to change the timeline so he doesn't die, why didn't he just stop Ben from killing him in the first place? That would be a lot simpler than putting into motion this large and complex time travel plan.
Some believe that Jacob sent the Losties back in time to change the timeline so that Jacob is "saved" and was never killed by Ben. But this doesn't make sense to me because if the whole story is based on Jacob trying to change the timeline so he doesn't die, why didn't he just stop Ben from killing him in the first place? That would be a lot simpler than putting into motion this large and complex time travel plan.
Perhaps Jacob can't do anything to interfere with free will?
I'm starting to wonder if the line "do you know how much I want to kill you?" is nothing more than two people starting to play chess and one says "I'm going to crush you."
The Deceiver is usually the one who wins. The immortal Jacob seemingly loses this time but the bomb may turn the tables when we return.
I'm starting to wonder if the line "do you know how much I want to kill you?" is nothing more than two people starting to play chess and one says "I'm going to crush you."
The Deceiver is usually the one who wins. The immortal Jacob seemingly loses this time but the bomb may turn the tables when we return.
Ya know, considering all the people he's essentially gathered to be on the island, there might be some merit to your comment. Perhaps his power lies in those he can win to his cause and his death makes them stronger.
Maybe it's not that he and his adversary (Not-Locke, Esau, whatever) can't kill each other. Maybe they can't kill or commit acts of violence against anyone. That could also be why "Locke" did nothing when Caesar threatened him, and instead relied on Ben and his shotgun (nice foreshadowing too).
Because his plan of manipulating time is in place. They're coming! Jack and Co. did change time, but Jacob manipulated the outcome to counter the other dude.
Mr Awe
Yes but if Not-Locke is the smoke monster is Esau (as I tend to believe) then clearly it is capable of some violence. There does seem to be some kind of rule set at play here though.
Maybe he couldn't touch Caesar because he was one of Jacob's people?
Even if notLocke isn't the smoke monster he was in the cabin, causing stuff to fly around and get on fire in "The Man Behind the Curtain."
If not Locke was smokey, then why would he act surprised when Ben told him what happened with his daughter, its more likely Jacob is smokey, after all he did fall in the fire, and theres no smoke without fire.
I think Jacob and the smoke monster can move through time in a non linear fashion.
I think Jacob and the smoke monster can move through time in a non linear fashion.
That's a valid point. Maybe he was acting? This could be a manipulation of some kind, perhaps to give Ben the illusion that he still had the upper hand on certain things.
There's quite a bit of evidence that NotLocke is Smokey, for example NotLocke conveniently disappeared just before Smokey showed up to confront Ben, and when Ben tried to summon Smokey with NotLocke present earlier in the same episode it didn't work.
For the same reason he reminisced with Ben about meeting him in the Hatch, or asking Ben about something he already knew -- what happened back at the cabin. He was lying.
If Jacob were indeed the Smoke Monster, I don't know why not-Locke would have been so eager -- even pushy -- to get Ben to go be judged by it. Wouldn't he want to keep Smokey/Jacob away from Ben? If not-Locke is Smokey it explains a lot. Like why when Ben summoned Smokey he never came. He was already there with Ben as Locke. How Locke knew where Smokey lived. Not to mention how Ben got seperated from Locke just before meeting Smokey, and right after Smokey leaves Locke just happens to start calling for Ben.
But the biggest indicator to me is what Alex/Smokey told Ben: Do what Locke says. If Smokey were Jacob, not-Locke should have stopped in his tracks when Ben told him about Alex. He would have wondered, "Why did Jacob tell Ben to listen to me? He must have a plan! And I'm falling into his trap." Instead, he simply says, "Good, then you'll do what I say? Perfect." This after never showing any interest in what Smokey may have said to Ben.
^Yeah, I think Not-Locke was lying a lot to Ben. We've seen Ben lie perfectly and we all believed what he was saying because it was said so genuinely ("I was born on this island," for example), so it's poetic justice that someone, in Locke's form no less, is now perfectly lying to and manipulating him.
Maybe he can only do so when he's in Smokey form? Though I don't know that the writers would get so complex with those rules, as it would take a lot of exposition to explain the various ins and outs of how this "I wish I could kill you myself" thing works. Then again, maybe the best way to explain it would be a scene where someone provokes Not-Locke to the point where he has to do violence to someone, and he transforms into Smokey before our eyes. That could be epic, though considering the past quality of CG on this show, rather iffy.
What I'm wondering now, though, is why Smokey took out Keamey's soldiers back in season 4 when Ben called him? Where do Jacob and his Adversary figure into the whole freighter thing? Because it seems to me that Smokey never wanted the Oceanic 6 to leave, as it was "Christian," among others, who wanted to bring them all back. Or maybe we're wrong in assuming that "Christian" is on Smokey's side? I also remember an interview with the Lindeloft and Cuse when they said that some of the dead people who appear are Smokey (Yemi), while some are not (I recall Christian and Charlie being among these).
Maybe he can only do so when he's in Smokey form? Though I don't know that the writers would get so complex with those rules, as it would take a lot of exposition to explain the various ins and outs of how this "I wish I could kill you myself" thing works. Then again, maybe the best way to explain it would be a scene where someone provokes Not-Locke to the point where he has to do violence to someone, and he transforms into Smokey before our eyes. That could be epic, though considering the past quality of CG on this show, rather iffy.
What I'm wondering now, though, is why Smokey took out Keamey's soldiers back in season 4 when Ben called him? Where do Jacob and his Adversary figure into the whole freighter thing? Because it seems to me that Smokey never wanted the Oceanic 6 to leave, as it was "Christian," among others, who wanted to bring them all back. Or maybe we're wrong in assuming that "Christian" is on Smokey's side? I also remember an interview with the Lindeloft and Cuse when they said that some of the dead people who appear are Smokey (Yemi), while some are not (I recall Christian and Charlie being among these).
I have the strong feeling that Jacob didn't fight back because he didn't need to...
I guess we find out in...2010!!! MAD ALL OVER AGAIN!
I guess we find out in...2010!!! MAD ALL OVER AGAIN!
Well, I think it's possible he wanted it to happen, or knew he already had a way out, somehow. He seemed to purposely antagonize Ben and didn't seem the least bit surprised by anything that happened.
But I guess we shall see...next year.
But I guess we shall see...next year.
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