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Why didn't he Vadwaar deal with the Borg centuries earlier?

Guy Gardener

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Why didn't the Vadwaar deal with the Borg centurys earlier?

Consider, that it's not even that the ancestors of the current Vadwaar who neglected this little scourge almost a millennia earlier as the the Nacene where first making friends with the Ocampa... But a thousand years earlier it wasn't the current civilizations ancestors who had technology equal to and surpassing Voyager...It's the same dumb plonkers.

Sure eventually it boils down to the inescapable conclusion that the vadwaar are assholes, but at the time, it must have seemed to them, and perhaps others like the Talaxians Neelix went to live with, that there is a tactical advantage in living right beside a merciless killing machine who probably only leaves you along because you don't smell good for eating, or that you are a slightly more odious killing machine.

But surely this should have flagged Janeway's curiosity?

The Vadwaar historically allowed the assimilation of several systems as perhaps a bufferzone between themselves and any actual forethinking threats, but they had it in their power to reclaim and deborg that which had been taken but they chose against such action, sure the Prime directive allows for the same detachment, the noninterference directive had a boner nudging Janeway towards allowing the decimation of the Ocampa by the Kazon, which might only make the Vadwaar short sighted and arrogant which the same could be said for Janeway nine hundred years down the track when there's a Kazon flag flying proud over the blood soaked streets of Paris? Or an Ocampan flag for that matter suggesting that allowing the Kazon to destroy the Ocampa in Caretaker will have saved the Earth's future... Or imagine if Mexico had won world war one conquering America by say 1917 sparing us from most of known history and perhaps the near globall primacy of the English language.

The Vadwaar's inaction caused 900 years of carnage and personally for Janeway the assimilation of several members of her crew and vast swaths of federation samplings over the last 15 years past and back towards towards (Forgetting all about Ent Regeneration, or the events during Star Trek VIII) subject zero Anika Hansen's inexcusable violation.

Janeways mind was probably perplexed in how so this time she was going to halt the wooing advances of this new Alien Captain. was he that unappealing and/or was she that chaste? Every passing alien Captain can't incontrovertibly be Captain Wrong?

In Jetrel they spent a month and change backtracking on their journey to watch Neelix die close to home, by that same condition of charity in the face of all reason why didn't they backtrack a week from the borg transwarp hub and offer the hedgehogs a trip back to their own home in Talaxian space now that it seemed as if all was safe and almost fair under a Harkonan thumb since they had lost their war, which had to be better than watching their unrelated breeding pairs dwindling into moot two generations down the track.

How odd that Janeway would reverse two decades to spare a handful of people heart ache and space craziness because she felt "responsible", but the Vadwaar Captain didn't think to replay his irresponsible contribution to history and prune the Borg like he should have the first time around, as can be evidenced from a relatively unmolested yet Borg saturated Timeline?

Did the Talaxians have some sort of deal going on with the Borg? If the Borg were fishing for new technology, then using the Talaxians as "bait" while accessing passers by would be a fair strategy... Consder, they would have had to deal with some local power for their position in that space, and who is going to be a doormouse of enough spunk to suggest that they are master and commander of all they survey except the bolthole of a Borg colony... or maybe the Borg allow free-range "spare parts" to wander about in the unwitting pretence of being a freethinking civilization as some sort of smokescreen camouflage to guard their transwarp hub?

Maybe that is too the relationship the Vadwaar were awarded by the Borg too? Which isn't too dissimilar to the Technomages from Babylon 5 shitting their robes as the Shadows began to awake for their long sleep wondering if cowardice was preferable to slavery?.
 
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There's not just one answer to the many impossible questions I asked before, and even the few answers, wrong as they certainly probably are, which I supplied too are also questions.

had you considered before that if the vadwaar dated the origin of the Borg back to around about same time as Banjoman's people's thrust into our galaxy, that Ocampa wasn't their only unforgiveable mistake those "things" made?

I hadn't.

The position of Queen and Caretaker seem quite similar, no?

What else happened a thousand years ago?
 
The Nacene flying about damaging and polluting cultures with their help? And no matter how hard they try to be benevolent gods, because despite their powerfulness they're about as mentally equipped as Pakleds everything always goes ass over tea kettle?

I've tried to explain the lack of major powers in the DQ as the Bord knocking over over anthills promoting growth till they see something worthy of harvest, but the Nacene, their leader perhaps played by an ageing Jerry Lewis in all his glory (Still alive right?) just bollocks up every planet and empire which Janeway will one day visit?

An odd story.

However the Vadwaar might have just have established a zero contract protocol with the Borg because although a fleet of their capital ships might have been able to wipe out the Borg in a swift campaign, all the Borg needed was one good/lucky assimilation of a straggler or shuttle or civilian colony and they would have had the vadware licked or at least on an even pegging.

If the Borg had had underspace tech a thousand years, well, nearly 600 years before now, it's likely they could have assimilated everything if they had wanted to, but then they have transwarp speed now and could have had such for hundreds of years and they haven't decided to take it all as yet because it seems they don't want everything, just the best of the best or at least the unique and novel and useful.

Which makes the Vadwaar just overly self important?

but when the Justice league begins a fight with the dread power stealing android Amazo, the first thing they do is tell Superman to piss off, because they can handle the situation well enough with out adding his nighinvincibility to their enemies arsenal.
 
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