They've been shown quite a few times on Voyager.
Why didn't Beyond do better at the Box Office?
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They've been shown quite a few times on Voyager.
2002 was the last time they were seen in any live-action form. Fourteen years, now. Last big screen appearance was twenty years ago.
Yet it feels like it was a couple of years ago. Where did the time go?
We just watch this stuff a heck of a lot more than the average movie goer. So it feels more heavily used than its actually been.
I agree.
Yes, the last time in May 2001..15 years ago..Regeneration aired 2 full years after that in 2003.
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You're right, of course.
Because the assimilated individual must be "killed" and then reborn as part of a mindless group only interested in absorbing new members.
There's no joy in borgville.
They're not killed...in fact, as we have seen, some of them can be recovered, preserving most if not all their original selves. The zombie metaphor is weak at best.
Also, they are not mindless, they have a single mind, buffered through a "Queen" and in fact, she/it/them appears to retain biological interests and drives to an extent.
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This feels like a derail argument, so I'll throw out one more post...
The individual, independent, and distinct mind/consciousness of the assimilated being is suborned during the assimilation process with no chance of recovery without the intervention of an external force. Thus, it could be said that the being is "killed" with little to no chance of a "resurrection." The physical well being of the drone is seperate from their mental and "spiritual" well being, of which the latter two are severely and perhaps critically affected by the assimilation process.
Zombies are not universally portrayed, but some depictions do include the idea that they can be cured, and are not animated dead flesh.
The individual, independent, and distinct mind/consciousness of the assimilated being is suborned during the assimilation process with no chance of recovery without the intervention of an external force. Thus, it could be said that the being is "killed" with little to no chance of a "resurrection." The physical well being of the drone is seperate from their mental and "spiritual" well being, of which the latter two are severely and perhaps critically affected by the assimilation process.
Zombies are not universally portrayed, but some depictions do include the idea that they can be cured, and are not animated dead flesh.
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Yep, Borged out. I would have no problems never seeing a new Borg centered episode ever again.
I think it's because they're a little like zombies in the way they assimilate people, have the slow walk, look mutiliated, and can't be reasoned with. I mean, First Contact plays a little like a zombie movie (bear in mind I don't watch zombie stuff, so that's only my impression). So, are they exactly like zombies? No, but there are a few parallels.
Seriously - no...no, they don't.
How about a Star Warsian off year spin off.
Star Trek: Sybock and Sam: An Older Brothers Adventure.
When the stakes are this high, it's time to call in your big brother(s).
Edit : The twist is that Sybock's the emotional one, and Sam is the scientist! It practically writes itself!
They'd even get to continue Abrams' Speilbergian bad dad obsession!
Star Trek: Sybock and Sam: An Older Brothers Adventure.
When the stakes are this high, it's time to call in your big brother(s).
Edit : The twist is that Sybock's the emotional one, and Sam is the scientist! It practically writes itself!
They'd even get to continue Abrams' Speilbergian bad dad obsession!
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Well, maintaining a good relationship with their new Chinese and Arabian partners (who invested in, and provided part of it's budget) matters to them as well -- and the fact it's now the highest grossing Star Trek film in China may also ultimately play into the decision to go ahead with STXIV (aka nuTrek 4)
As an aside to the above:
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=pacificrim.htm
Different studio and franchise; but back in 2013 - Pacific Rim with a reported budget of 190 Million back then only brought in a little over $100 million in box office receipts in the U.S. - BUT got a sequel green lit soley based on the Chinse BO response to the film.
In the end, I think there's still a lot of incentive for Paramount to go ahead with STXIV (aka nuTrek 4) as they announced, but yeah,time will tell.
I tend to think we will get a sequel as well. I tend to think Paramount eventually turns a profit on Beyond. At the same time, we shouldn't be doing pretzel logic trying to make it some kind of success that it wasn't.
Its box office receipts are mediocre, at best, for the type of money Paramount poured into it.
I think he's subtracting out the $25-30M supposedly spent on the Orci version before Lin was brought onboard, which may factor into Paramount's thinking around the viability of the fourth movie.
That being said, I have doubts they spent anywhere close to that number - I'd bet at most it was only a tenth that.
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