Why didn't Beyond do better at the Box Office?

[Kruezerman]

That's just nonsense. Usually the budget , in this case 185 million, does not include marketing and other stuff. Also, not all the money a movie makes goes to the studio.

So if a film costs 185 million and it earns 250 million or even 300 million, it doesn't mean the film makes any profit for the studio.

So it doesn't matter then, since we can't know how much the movie actually cost. It's a failure folks! Pack it up! The movie actually cost a million bazillion dollars!

 

[psCargile]

$10 ticket, $10 Netflix. Even cheaper when available to stream. Why go to theatres?

 

[The Wormhole]

$10 ticket, $10 Netflix. Even cheaper when available to stream. Why go to theatres?

For the ambiance.

 

[M.A.C.O.]

STB still has to open in China, and that's not scheduled till September.

Outside of that, I think we're in a situation where these big budget films are cannibalizing each other.

I've compiled a list of studio films that have under performed this year.

Zoolander 2

Divergent: Allegiant

The Huntsman

The Boss

X-Men Apocalypse

Alice Through The Looking Glass

TMNT Out Of The Shadows

Independence Day

Warcraft

BFG

Tarzan

Ghostbusters


The highest grossing films remain:

1. Captain America Civil War
2. Zootopia
3. The Jungle Book
4. Batman v Superman
5. Finding Dory
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6. Deadpool
7. The Mermaid
8. X-Men Apocalypse
9. Kung Fu Panda 3
10. Warcraft

 

[johnjm22]

$10 ticket, $10 Netflix. Even cheaper when available to stream. Why go to theatres?

$10 ticket? That's cheap. It cost me $20. Plus gas, plus food ect.

 

[BillJ]

$10 ticket, $10 Netflix. Even cheaper when available to stream. Why go to theatres?

Because I enjoy the experience. Nothing like sitting there with my wife and son and watching Trek on the big-screen.

 

[HaventGotALife]

And you're still trying to get us invested in your personal grudges against other individuals, by regaling us with tales of what they've supposably done wrong in life. In a forum where you know they won't have the opportunity to defend themselves, allowing you to basically represent them however you like.

aka 'Shitting on them.'

I wonder if all these terrible people go on to their message boards, and try to convince strangers about what a terrible and stupid person you are?

Then my question to you is simple: If my premise is true, and you wanted facts to back up my conclusions, what type of evidence would you require of me to make said point? Because, apparently, you have made the association between stupidity and not engaging the material, not using creativity, and wasting class time. That's not being stupid, that's being unable, or unwilling, to make a mistake. To see some red ink on a test or a paper. It's timidity, not stupidity. Is that a terrible person? No, a terrible person would be someone who lets that continue. A terrible person would be someone who nods their head, reinforces their belief that they are doing well, and waits until they are stuck out in the world with a movie or a book or a problem that they cannot simply answer with a test answer, that to not understand something, means it must be stupid or not worth their time.

Two of our values, as Americans, are creativity and intelligence. From the Apollo Missions to curing polio, those things are necessary ingredients in those accomplishments, and in tackling problems like climate change and overcoming super-bugs. If my experience show me we are not supporting those values, if we "shit on" anything we have to struggle with, I am supposed to be polite and quiet, not say anything?

Another value is freedom. If we cannot understand that banning a religion (Islam) or a country of origin (Mexico) is against that value, freedom, I shouldn't say anything when it violates our values? I am supposed to politely sit down and agree to disagree, treat Donald Trump as just another candidate, and possibly, help him get elected, destroying perhaps the value at the basis of the concept of self-government?

A message board is not the only place where I carry this message. You do not know how I live my life, and you are projecting a set of values and beliefs onto me, that are not true of who I am. If I wanted to "shit on" people, characterize them how I wanted, why wouldn't I just make things up? Why wouldn't I just engage in truthiness and make a steadfast claim that my classmates were stupid? Why wouldn't I just come out and say that?

For the record, I am not the smartest person in a room of 5 other people. I am not well-versed in the areas I described--science, technology, and math, But, I try. I don't discard anything before giving it some thought and attention. I try to maximize my abilities--from asking "What is Star Trek?" to trying to understand Immanuel Kant in independent study, to asking questions about how something is cleaned at-work, to acknowledging the depth and scope of my ignorance on many different topics--I may not know everything, I may not be the next great inventor or the man who can write the next, great American novel, but I don't "shit on" things I don't understand, either. I try. And like knowing what it takes to win at a sport, without the ability to play it, I know it when I see it.

 

[BillJ]

Two of our values, as Americans, are creativity and intelligence. From the Apollo Missions to curing polio, those things are necessary ingredients in those accomplishments, and in tackling problems like climate change and overcoming super-bugs. If my experience show me we are not supporting those values, if we "shit on" anything we have to struggle with, I am supposed to be polite and quiet, not say anything?

I could point out that we are investigating going to Mars, can see deeper into the universe than humanity ever has, continue to come up with new treatments for cancer that lengthen and increase the quality of life for those afflicted, that we have treatments for HIV that lengthen and increase the quality of life for those afflicted. We are, by most accounts, in a golden of entertainment. We continue to struggle with climate change, but are working on it. Part of that is the conflict with our way of living.

Any generation has their douchebags that look like they are holding us back. But we continue to make progress, even if it is uneven.

 

[M'Sharak]

It's funny to see Nu-Trek fans claiming nothing is wrong with how the Bad Robot movies have been doing. Alienating fans, throwing bigger budgets at them and then not being able to recoup that money. They want to continue the same way. Making bigger movies, with bigger budgets, more explosions and shoot downs. Not accepting that since 2009, the movies have become less and less successful. Harcore fans walking away, now the general audience is walking away too. And yet we still should go on like before. Talk about having your heads in the sand.

We should not go back to 1982 or 1986 or 1996, but saying nothing is wrong and we should continue as before is 'illogical' at least.

Saying that Star Trek can't be cerebral or smart on the big screen with a smaller budget and be successful is nonsense too.

Please try to confine yourself to addressing the arguments being made without taking shots at the people making them. If you're here to wind up the fans rather than to talk about the movie, then you're in the wrong place. Post, not poster.

Denial, denial...

YEP!

Don't bait other posters. Stick to the subject of the movie.

 

[Makarov]

What I'm confused about HaventGotAlife's original post, is it an explanation of why Beyond doesn't do so well at the box office? As sort of a fun popcorn movie Beyond doesn't seem like something anyone has to be enlightened or in deep thought to enjoy, so I don't see how a dumbing down of the world in general would lead to box office decline.

 

[locutus101]

I think the main reason is that I haven't seen it half a dozen times yet like the one before.

 

[Greg Cox]

STB still has to open in China, and that's not scheduled till September.

Outside of that, I think we're in a situation where these big budget films are cannibalizing each other.

I've compiled a list of studio films that have under performed this year.

Zoolander 2

Divergent: Allegiant

The Huntsman

The Boss

X-Men Apocalypse

Alice Through The Looking Glass

TMNT Out Of The Shadows

Independence Day

Warcraft

BFG

Tarzan

Ghostbusters

And note that THE BFG is a Spielberg movie written by the same person wrote "E.T."

If even Spielberg is struggling this summer, the competition is obviously pretty fierce.

 

[KGator]

What I'm confused about HaventGotAlife's original post, is it an explanation of why Beyond doesn't do so well at the box office? As sort of a fun popcorn movie Beyond doesn't seem like something anyone has to be enlightened or in deep thought to enjoy, so I don't see how a dumbing down of the world in general would lead to box office decline.

I categorize it more or less under the heading of "some people just like to hear themselves talk".

 

[wayoung]

I haven't had a chance to watch it, but Midnight's Edge has put up a video about Beyond. If you don't know Midnight's Edge, they're a YouTube channel that follows the business of Hollywood, focusing on genre movies with lots of rumours floating around. The Fant4stic debacle is where they made their name. They don't have any inside access but compile all the public information in an informative way. How much you accept their conclusions is up to you.

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[Noname Given]

I haven't had a chance to watch it, but Midnight's Edge has put up a video about Beyond. If you don't know Midnight's Edge, they're a YouTube channel that follows the business of Hollywood, focusing on genre movies with lots of rumours floating around. The Fant4stic debacle is where they made their name. They don't have any inside access but compile all the public information in an informative way. How much you accept their conclusions is up to you.

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One thing he doesn't mention is all the tax breaks Paramount received for STBeyond filming in Canada and Dubai; or that the production cost was shared between the new Chinese partnership. That could also play a big role with regard to the bottom line, and to whether they do go ahead with a 4th kelvin Timeline film. Personally, I do think they still will, but time will tell.

 

[Ovation]

One thing he doesn't mention is all the tax breaks Paramount received for STBeyond filming in Canada and Dubai; or that the production cost was shared between the new Chinese partnership. That could also play a big role with regard to the bottom line, and to whether they do go ahead with a 4th kelvin Timeline film. Personally, I do think they still will, but time will tell.

Canada! Doing its bit to keep Trek alive since 1966.

 

[One Lucky Red Shirt]

The film needs to make $375 million world wide to be considered a modest hit. Closer to $400. But movie tickets is not the only thing studios go by as a success. Digital download sales n blu ray sales can save a film for sure.

Look at the riddick films. The only reason why sequels were made from what i read was strong home media sales. So its a lot to consider when it comes to how much a film makes n if a sequel is ahead.

 

[BillJ]

5.) I have to see these movies when "hanging out" with others. I have to listen to this music, because it plays all the time at work, people "like to read," but I have to discuss "Twilight" or "The Hunger Games," instead of the books I am reading. I am subject to this environment.

There is nothing wrong with the world, or you, because you like different things than the majority of folks.

 

[timtonruben359]

The Tuesday box office numbers are in and it's not good!

Beyond fell to 4th place at the box office making just over $3.4 million. Here are the full results:

1. Bourne $6.2 million
2. Bad Moms $3.8 million
3. Secret Life of Pets $3.5 million
4. Beyong $3.4 million
5. Ice Age $2.1 million

 

[photon70]

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/daily/chart/

Check those numbers again. BOM had STB at 4th just a tiny bit below Secret Life of Pets.