It's still getting very good ratings, IMO.
Plus I am not sure if most people consult Rotten Tomatoes before they go watch a movie.
Why didn't Beyond do better at the Box Office?
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It's still getting very good ratings, IMO.
Plus I am not sure if most people consult Rotten Tomatoes before they go watch a movie.
Really? I though Elba was actually a pretty big name in the business.
Another objective argument could be to do with the My subjective feeling for why the film failed is that it doesn't connect with the audience. It's a trite, boring tale which is predictable.[/quote]
Guess we saw different movies.
I will concede that more could've been done with this aspect.
Do not bring Abrams back. He may make awesome Star Wars movies, but his Star Trek (if we can call them that) movies are awful. At best.
Beyond may have seemed to have less scope, since there were fewer places visited than TFA, but nothing about it seemed small or weak.
In other words, it's a bad thing that it's an authentic Star Trek movie?
For the record, this's the only reboot movie that resonated with me at all, and that's largely because they chose to be less spectacle and more story and characters.
Beyond will be released tomorrow in China, one of the biggest market. I really really hope, they will make big advertising with Alibaba and the movie will earn 140 million :-)
Movies that are "well received" get out performed by movies that are poorly received all the time. Into Darkness wasn't as well received as ST09, but it out performed it at the box office.
Analyzing the marketing is primarily qualitative.
My subjective opinion is that JJ Abrams is a mediocre director. The best he can do is mediocre, and everything he's ever done has been either mediocre or terrible. Good riddance to him.
It's also my subjective opinion that Star Trek Beyond is a decent movie (I have quantitative data to back this up), but it's not great. It's nothing to get excited about. With ST09, it was easy to get excited because it was totally new. Beyond doesn't have that freshness factor, and I think that's by in large the reason why people didn't got out to see it as much as the previous films.
cmon china ol' buddy don't let us down..
Box Office and Reviews are not always mutually exclusive. Suicide Squad should have *bombed* if that were the case.
This would be a more credible reason than the reviews.
That would require people to see it first. Box Office is the result of people paying to see the film. If the box office is down, that means not enough people paid to see the film. They can't form these opinions that you or I did *after* seeing the film if they didn't see it first. So the question still is - Why didn't they go see it in the first place (at least as much as the first two films?) The star power, which is part of the marketing, is a legitimate theory (I don't know if it's true, but it's legitimate.)
BEYOND vs STID:
IMDb: 7.4/10 (Beyond), 7.8/10 (STID) 0.4% difference
Rotten Tomatoes: 83% (Beyond), 86% (STID) 3% difference
Metacritic: 68% (Beyond), 72% (STID) 4% difference
I can't see how a 0.4% to 4.0% difference with the previous movie supports your claim for a "not as well received" movie. Objectively speaking.
Also "SUICIDE SQUAD":
6.8/10 IMDb
26% Rotten Tomatoes
40% Metacritic
$640 MILLION BOX OFFICE
How's that for "numbers don't lie"?
SUICIDE SQUAD had crazy marketing, DC went all out with the movie, maybe they knew the reviews will be bad so they marketed the film very well to make sure fans watched it regardless of the reviews.
beyond had close to zero marketing compared to SUICIDE SQUAD. I also think star wars coming back hurt beyond.people might also be hung over from any film starting with STAR after star wars 7 gigantic box office numbers
While I agree that one of the reasons Beyond didn't do that well is that it's actually not that good, Pegg (surprisingly) delivered an identikit JJ clone of a movie - indistinguishable stylistically from it's predecessors.
Ironic that you praise JJ as flawless at pretty much the point that I decide to avoid JJ movies wherever possible due to the stream of dross he's foisted on us - and yes, I'm including the Trek films and Force Awakens in that.
I kind of liked Super 8...
He's respected, but doesn't have anywhere near the sort of personal following or charisma that Cumblebundle does.
Plus he had the additional disadvantage of being unrecognisable for the majority of the film, and in promotional material.
Not exactly a like-for-like comparison - most of that money comes from outside the US, and Trek has never done especially well in that regard, nor does Trek pull in the huge money that comic book films do.
Well this is unexpected. Star Trek Beyond is getting a second chance at my local theater! I sure wanted to see it a third time and now I'll get to. 
True on all accounts. Just to be 100% clear though, my point wasn't Beyond vs. Suicide Squad. My point was % Reviews vs. Box Office.
2016 has been a tough year for studio films, blockbusters and would be blockbusters. My list of the major under performers and flops.
Zoolander 2 (Paramount)
Divergent: Allegiant (Lionsgate)
The Huntsman (Universal)
The Boss (Universal)
X-Men Apocalypse (Fox)
Alice Through The Looking Glass (Disney)
TMNT Out Of The Shadows (Paramount)
Independence Day Resurgence (Fox)
Warcraft (Universal)
BFG (Disney)
Tarzan (WB)
Ghostbusters (Paramount)
Star Trek Beyond (Paramount)
Ben-Hur (Paramount)
Pete's Dragon (Disney)
As you can see, a lot of films took a shalacking at the BO. Even the films that received positive reviews from critics, didn't convert into more revenue from the GA. The big winners of the summer are Captain America 3, Finding Dory, The Secret Life of Pets and Suicide Squad. Two sequels and two new and untested IPs. Suicide Squad being the standout for it's negative reception from critics but still being in the top 10 highest grossing films for the year so far. I don't think you can say the fans are what made SS a success over STB. Because SS is a new IP and the domestic and overseas numbers don't reflect that.
For comparison's sake, look at Suicide Squad and Ghostbusters. Ghostbusters has a positive rating from critics, had media outlets spinning the film as a success despite it's BO performance and opened in 63 markets outside the US.
http://www.houstonpress.com/arts/ghostbusters-remake-now-officially-not-a-flop-8622080
SS has a negative rating from critics, media outlets castigating the film (calling it a failure) and finally SS opened in 30 markets outside the US.
Ghostbusters:
Domestic: $125,124,882
Foreign: $92,692,948
Suicide Squad - Still in theaters
Domestic:$286,417,209
Foreign: $353,700,000
Keep in mind that the "controversy" of the all female Ghostbusters was not an issue for foreign markets, the way it was in the US. Also, neither film was released in China. Allegedly the censors took issue with the supernatural elements present in both films.
The general audience responded in a big way to the things in SS, in a way they didn't respond to GB. However, having the media and critics (most of whom write for internet outlets nowadays), didn't translate to success for GB.
I blame marketing for STB's lack of a huge gross. I don't think Paramount advertised the film the way they should or as aggressively as they should. This is Trek's big 50th anniversary, and there was hardly any fanfare about that. Supposedly because TPTB were afraid of alienating the general audience by playing up Trek being such an old franchise and prior knowledge possibly being a prerequisite.
Zoolander 2 (Paramount)
Divergent: Allegiant (Lionsgate)
The Huntsman (Universal)
The Boss (Universal)
X-Men Apocalypse (Fox)
Alice Through The Looking Glass (Disney)
TMNT Out Of The Shadows (Paramount)
Independence Day Resurgence (Fox)
Warcraft (Universal)
BFG (Disney)
Tarzan (WB)
Ghostbusters (Paramount)
Star Trek Beyond (Paramount)
Ben-Hur (Paramount)
Pete's Dragon (Disney)
As you can see, a lot of films took a shalacking at the BO. Even the films that received positive reviews from critics, didn't convert into more revenue from the GA. The big winners of the summer are Captain America 3, Finding Dory, The Secret Life of Pets and Suicide Squad. Two sequels and two new and untested IPs. Suicide Squad being the standout for it's negative reception from critics but still being in the top 10 highest grossing films for the year so far. I don't think you can say the fans are what made SS a success over STB. Because SS is a new IP and the domestic and overseas numbers don't reflect that.
For comparison's sake, look at Suicide Squad and Ghostbusters. Ghostbusters has a positive rating from critics, had media outlets spinning the film as a success despite it's BO performance and opened in 63 markets outside the US.
http://www.houstonpress.com/arts/ghostbusters-remake-now-officially-not-a-flop-8622080
SS has a negative rating from critics, media outlets castigating the film (calling it a failure) and finally SS opened in 30 markets outside the US.
From The Wall Street Journal
Ghostbusters:
Domestic: $125,124,882
Foreign: $92,692,948
Suicide Squad - Still in theaters
Domestic:$286,417,209
Foreign: $353,700,000
Keep in mind that the "controversy" of the all female Ghostbusters was not an issue for foreign markets, the way it was in the US. Also, neither film was released in China. Allegedly the censors took issue with the supernatural elements present in both films.
The general audience responded in a big way to the things in SS, in a way they didn't respond to GB. However, having the media and critics (most of whom write for internet outlets nowadays), didn't translate to success for GB.
I blame marketing for STB's lack of a huge gross. I don't think Paramount advertised the film the way they should or as aggressively as they should. This is Trek's big 50th anniversary, and there was hardly any fanfare about that. Supposedly because TPTB were afraid of alienating the general audience by playing up Trek being such an old franchise and prior knowledge possibly being a prerequisite.
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If mediocre movies are your thing, this has been an outstanding year!
In the comic fan world there was HUGE anticipation for SS, and this in turn led to a lot of pre-coverage by movie news sites. I would say that fan enthusiam launched the success, and then mainstream action fans took over once the comic fans became more ambivalent.
This seems contradictory. Suicide Squad had "fans", and yet was disadvantaged by being "new"?
In the comic fan world there was HUGE anticipation for SS, and this in turn led to a lot of pre-coverage by movie news sites. I would say that fan enthusiam launched the success, and then mainstream action fans took over once the comic fans became more ambivalent.
Fans are the niche of any general audience. Films like SS and Deadpool (new IPs) won the general audience. People who had little to no exposure to the content before seeing the movie. The fans of any franchise are going to show up and support a film, but it's the GA that movies need to woo, in order to be successes.If mediocre movies are your thing, this has been an outstanding year!
This seems contradictory. Suicide Squad had "fans", and yet was disadvantaged by being "new"?
In the comic fan world there was HUGE anticipation for SS, and this in turn led to a lot of pre-coverage by movie news sites. I would say that fan enthusiam launched the success, and then mainstream action fans took over once the comic fans became more ambivalent.
If mediocre movies are your thing, this has been an outstanding year!
This seems contradictory. Suicide Squad had "fans", and yet was disadvantaged by being "new"?
In the comic fan world there was HUGE anticipation for SS, and this in turn led to a lot of pre-coverage by movie news sites. I would say that fan enthusiam launched the success, and then mainstream action fans took over once the comic fans became more ambivalent.
Every year is an outstanding year for mediocrity.
I can buy that.
As Spock put it in the movie, "To use a parlance with which you would be familiar, Doctor, I have just confirmed that theory to be horse[bleep]." It's a sequel to two already-popular movies and Star Trek is widely known to have been in pop culture a long time. So, the fact that the franchise would be turning fifty is hardly a secret and even viewers who have only seen the reboot films would still be able to appreciate Beyond in relation to that. (I mean, the bit at the end where Spock is looking at the photo might not resonate with a newbie the same way it would for those of us who who grew up with the earliest installments, but the scene would still make sense.)
I don't think Deadpool or SS count as "new". Deadpool is a sassy X-Men spin-off (and Ryan Reynolds even played Wade Wilson before, in Wolverine Origins), and Suicide Squad was basically hyped as "meet the new Joker and his super hot crazy girlfriend" in a continuation of the Batman v Superman world.
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