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Why didn't anyone smoke?

Didn't nu-BSG have an episode about the black market in the ragtag fleet, and how Adama had to tolerate it because it was the only way to satisfy the material needs of the fleet or something?

There's another example of the writers not thinking these things through. This wasn't a black market on some war-torn planet, but amidst a fleet of spacecraft. Most of those spacecraft were not capable of producing anything useful; production was centered on relatively few assets. And Adama had enough military oomph to be in total control of those assets. Absolutely no need for him to show any mercy towards black marketing, because the only things that the black marketeers could ever hope to produce that Adama couldn't provide would be those sex slaves the episode was mostly about. Where could one put a tobacco farm? Only in a facility that would already be under military control, a greenhouse vital for food supply.

Adama had complete control of water everywhere in the fleet, for chrissakes! If he wanted, he could have banned smoking, made jumping on left foot mandatory on Tuesdays, and invoked first night privileges for all his officers, and nobody could have complained. Nobody would have complained, not in a religious sect such as the ragtag fleet...

Prohibition laws in other scifi contexts would be thornier issues. Not on BSG, though.

And prohibition works, in the general case. We've had one on slavery for several centuries now, even though anybody can homebrew a slave, and many would no doubt enjoy life more if they had one, or fifty.

Timo Saloniemi
 
You think you're going to put 40,000 people in the miserable, dire circumstances of the BSG fleet and they're not going to do every kind of drug they can get their hands on?

Welcome to the human race. Enjoy your stay.

That's what I think, too.
 
Adama had complete control of water everywhere in the fleet, for chrissakes! If he wanted, he could have banned smoking, made jumping on left foot mandatory on Tuesdays, and invoked first night privileges for all his officers, and nobody could have complained. Nobody would have complained, not in a religious sect such as the ragtag fleet...

No, there'd be complaints. The fleet wasn't as united or even as religious as that line suggests, after all, and its population was made up of survivors from a liberal democracy.

But yes, there were aspects about the fleet that weren't thought through much.
 
In 1968, Doctors used to actually recommend smoking. Yes, we know better now, but 1968, not so much.

I don't know if this is a "recommendation", but the implication is pretty clear!

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You think you're going to put 40,000 people in the miserable, dire circumstances of the BSG fleet and they're not going to do every kind of drug they can get their hands on?

Welcome to the human race. Enjoy your stay.

S'truth. Smoking is not my bag and I like the trend of people smoking outside of buildings because I spent way too much time in smoke-filled rooms growing up as most of my family smoked. It's not good to smoke indoors, especially when there are children or others in the place who get stuck inhaling the smoke.

But demonizing smoking and outlawing it is daft. I see no reason why people can't fire up outside. People will do what they do - cigs, booze, drugs, sex, you-name-it. When the shit hits the fan or one just has a bad day, people will turn to things to help them get through it, and they may not be things that segments of society think are good for them or for others.

Too bad.
 
Didn't nu-BSG have an episode about the black market in the ragtag fleet, and how Adama had to tolerate it because it was the only way to satisfy the material needs of the fleet or something?

There's another example of the writers not thinking these things through.

That's okay - Trek is rife with examples of writers not thinking things through. BSG can afford a little.

Alcohol kills people. Drunk drivers kill millions. A large percentage of crimes and acts of abuse are committed under the influence of alcohol. If there's a way to let people keep the pleasurable effects of alcohol without costing lives, how could any remotely ethical person object to that?

It's one thing to put yourself at risk for a thrill. But putting others at risk for your own personal gratification? That's just indefensible.

Sounds like a good "ethical" argument for banning alcohol. Problem is that it doesn't work. People will continue to use drugs that are terrible for them.

Oh, and abusive personalities and addicts will abuse something like "synthehol" as well. This is what the ever-present purveyors of "safe" and "non-habit-forming" medications discover over and over, to their chagrin: if it changes the way you feel, people can and will become addicted to it.

If synthehol enables the user to become sober upon "willing" it, abusers will decline to do so.

Human beings are not rational creatures, never have been and never will be. We're capable of rational thought, which we make use of when it suits us and when it's not overruled by some other element of our jerryrigged neurological make-up.
 
But wait... STAR TREK is set, predominantly, on spaceships. There is no air in space, and life support is finite. You didn't see Neil Armstrong lighting up during the Apollo 11 mission, so why would you expect to see Kirk having a Marlboro moment?
 
Thing is, starships are robust enough to spend years upon years in space and retain their breathable air despite having all sorts of onboard fires, battles, mishaps, sabotage attempts, poison gas attacks and whatnot. Surely their air circulation systems could be programmed to handle chain smokers, Klingon armpits and a large recreational bonfire on Deck 3?

As for people being evil/stupid, that has never stopped (other) people from formulating laws that ban particular varieties of evil/stupid. We don't let people steal or rape just because it's the human nature to steal or rape. We punish such people, or threaten them with punishment, until they are too afraid to do those things we dislike. More subtly, we mock and humiliate those who behave against our wishes. A combination of the above has removed many society-disrupting vices, the best proof for which is that our societies still stand.

Societies up till now have tolerated smoking. In general, though, the more modern (and tightly packed) the society, the less it tolerates; tolerance requires elbow room, and the modern world can't afford that. Also, improved communications have allowed the definition of "us" to expand beyond tribes of a few hundred people. While smoking might be in our natures, it is even more strongly in our natures to require uniformity from the members of "us" - and "us" is almost global now.

Unless something especially disruptive happens to the way we communicate, I think that smoking will become a crime in the very near future, and smokers will be defined as one of two things: subhumans worthy of contempt only, or people of power and position untouchable by the law. As already is the case with recreational drug use.

Timo Saloniemi
 
Yeah smoking needs to die a death and fast as does heroin and cocaine production - the land would be better spent growing food but you have to make that worthwhile for the growers first. As the population will continue to explode until a global policy of vasectomies for men after their third child comes into play, increased food shortages will become more common, even in 'western' countries.

As far as TOS goes, travelling in space was not as safe and secure as TNG. The dilithium did not regenerate in the chamber and they would have a more limited energy supply (not even full replicators) so I don't think that using resources to scrub additional toxins from cigarette smoke from the air would be desirable except say when hosting diplomats. Pllus nicotene stains the ceiling, walls, and fabrics. With all that white on the TMP Enterprise they definitely wouldn't want it!
 
All true, but I honestly don't think it's going to happen any time soon. If it's not smoking, it's drinking, and if it's not that, it's drugs.... and if those got eliminated, we'd invent new ones. I'm not saying stuff should be either completely legalised or banned, but humanity will not let go of everything for ever.

Besides, not every smoker is a chain smoker, and most people who consume alcohol are functioning members of society. I for one don't smoke, but I do enjoy a glass of wine when the day's done.
 
Do they allow smoking on board ships in the Navy? Or specifically, inside the ships? Could be a point of realism for crewmen to be forbade smoking due to unnecessary strain on the life support system (wouldn't be much, but it would be a logical reason to ban smoking on board starships).

Not now, but they did in the 60's. Even on duty, and even while standing watch. Just not in nuclear engineering spaces (can't eat there either, but you can drink water/pop whatever) and around fuel.
 
To add to the other mentioned appearances of cancer sticks.

Most of the bridge crew were given cigars by Q in "Deja Q"

Troi smoked a holographic cigar in "A Fistful Of Data's"

*Sorry just realised this is in the TOS section.
 
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And people might argue that cocaine consumption doesn't give the people around you lung cancer, and also there's no cigarette stubs. :p
 
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