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Why did Wil Weaton leave the show?

Didn't Colm Meaney say the opposite of Berman? That every year he was able to take time out of his schedule on DS9 to work on films with almost no problems at all?
I do recall him saying that, although I don't remember it being attributed to Berman. DS9 was a different beast though. Firstly, the day-to-day runnings of the show were handled by Ira Steven Behr, not RB; secondly, as Colm was already established in the Trek arena, it's possible he may have been able to swing a contract that allowed him to do so.
Plus, even if it was Berman's decision. We're still talking apples/oranges.

In Colm's case, it was to have prominent roles in summer block-busters and Hugh Grant rom-coms--roles that would lead to name and face recognition, and potentially new viewership.

While Valmont was certainly a decent enough film, it didn't exactly scream "cash cow."
 
Didn't Colm Meaney say the opposite of Berman? That every year he was able to take time out of his schedule on DS9 to work on films with almost no problems at all?
I do recall him saying that, although I don't remember it being attributed to Berman. DS9 was a different beast though. Firstly, the day-to-day runnings of the show were handled by Ira Steven Behr, not RB; secondly, as Colm was already established in the Trek arena, it's possible he may have been able to swing a contract that allowed him to do so.
Plus, even if it was Berman's decision. We're still talking apples/oranges.

In Colm's case, it was to have prominent roles in summer block-busters and Hugh Grant rom-coms--roles that would lead to name and face recognition, and potentially new viewership.

While Valmont was certainly a decent enough film, it didn't exactly scream "cash cow."

It's hard to say why wheaton left the show. I always thought when he went to the academy he was reducing himself to just "Cameo" appearances. I thought it was a mistake... He should have stayed with it even rejoining the cast later as a fully fledged officer. a real ensign...

Next Gen was running fairly popular after the first season. It started slow but by season 2 you actually saw character development.

I guess he wanted to do other things than be typecast as this one character. I would take a good guess

Nathaniel
 
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That wasn't my point. I simply suggested that Meany was made an exception and allowed to leave because he was headed for high profile roles--roles that lead to more people recognizing him and possibly creating interest in his other work: i.e. DS9.
 
Meaney also wasn't a central cast member meaning he probably got a lot more lax during TNG's run and while on DS9, well, as I understood it Berman was very back-seat while running DS9 so those who WERE running it -primarily Behr and Piller- were probably a lot more forgiving and accomidating to Meaney.

Further, Meaney was an adult and probably knew how to throw his weight around/assert himself more than a the teenage Wheaton did.
 
Meaney also wasn't a central cast member meaning he probably got a lot more lax during TNG's run and while on DS9, well, as I understood it Berman was very back-seat while running DS9 so those who WERE running it -primarily Behr and Piller- were probably a lot more forgiving and accomidating to Meaney.

Further, Meaney was an adult and probably knew how to throw his weight around/assert himself more than a the teenage Wheaton did.

I think Berman had a big role in Voyager so for most of DS9 he would have had to be back seat even if he wanted to actually run it.

Has any Trek EP been able to effectively manage two shows at once? Voyager's 7th season suffered in quality because they were planning ENT!
 
Has any Trek EP been able to effectively manage two shows at once? Voyager's 7th season suffered in quality because they were planning ENT!

Well, it wasn't doing all that great to begin-with even when they DID devote it their full attention. ;)

But, along these lines, TNG's Seventh season suffered from a combination of the better writers shifting over to DS9, possibly the development of Voyager -to have a "ship show" replace TNG- and to some degree the work on GEN.
 
Has any Trek EP been able to effectively manage two shows at once? Voyager's 7th season suffered in quality because they were planning ENT!

Well, it wasn't doing all that great to begin-with even when they DID devote it their full attention. ;)

But, along these lines, TNG's Seventh season suffered from a combination of the better writers shifting over to DS9, possibly the development of Voyager -to have a "ship show" replace TNG- and to some degree the work on GEN.

I haven't seen as much TNG but I've seen every VOY...

But could it have been the opposite: Generations suffered because there was no down time between the end of AGT and the movie shooting?
 
Wes could've turned up on DS9, V'GER, even Beckett's NX-01, due to The Traveler.

But, who knows why Will Wheaton left:confused:

I haven't seen Cirroc Lofton in anything recently either.

The last thing I remember Cirroc in was a very small guest role on Invasion.
 
From Wheaton's blog:

Here's the absolute truth why I left Star Trek. I left Star Trek because it was seriously interfering with my career in feature films. I was in a situation where I was constantly having to pass on really good movie roles because I was on the series. I had a film career before Star Trek. People knew me before Star Trek. As a matter of fact, at Comic Con, a lot of people came up to me and said, "I started watching Star Trek because you were on it and I was fan of yours from Stand By Me and I stopped watching it after you left." I had a lot of people say that to me.

After something like this had happened a lot of times, this was finally the last straw: I had been cast by Milos Foreman to be in Valmont. I had gone through lots and lots of callbacks, I had met Milos personally a number of times and he was really supporting me and telling me, "I want you in my movie." I was going to go to Paris and I was going to be in this movie and stuff and what happened was we were going to shoot it during the hiatus and the shooting schedule for Valmont would have carried me over about a week into the regular season schedule into Star Trek. I would have had to sit out the first episode of the year, right. That's not a big deal, it's not like I'm the fuckin' Captain, you know. At that point, I was the guy who pushed buttons and said, "Yes, sir!" So, I said to the people on Star Trek, "I need to be written out of this particular episode, because I'm going to do this movie and my film career's going to take off." This is after Gene Roddenberry had died. Had Gene been alive, it would have been no problem at all, because Gene was that kind of guy. Gene would have said, "Great! Go ahead, you do what you need to do," because he was that kind of person. After Gene died, a very different type of person took over and they said, "We can't write you out because the first episode of the season is all about you. It focuses entirely on your character and it's your story..." So, he said to me, "The story is entirely about you, we can't write you out." I said, "Well, this really sucks, but I'm under contract to you guys and if that's your call and if that's what you say I have to do, I have to do." I had to pass on the movie.

A couple of days before the season was ready to premiere, they wrote me out of the episode entirely. What they were doing was they were sending me a message. The message was, "We own you. Don't you ever try to do anything without us." That was the last straw for me. I called my agents and said, "They don't own me. It's time for me to leave this show, it's time for me to be gone." That's what really pushed me over the edge. It's not worth it anymore. That's why I left.
LINK

So it boils down to: He left because Berman was -surprise, surprise- a dick head.

Gene 'C*nt' Roddenberry was alive before Wheatie-Bix left.
 
Gene 'C*nt' Roddenberry was alive before Wheatie-Bix left.

Gee you're a pleasure.

In Wheaton's blog he admits that mistake right after that statement in the FAQ section of his site (behind that big blue "LINK" I posted).

Wheaton admits that he was wrong and the Gene *was* alive when he left the show but that Gene's health precluded his active envolvement in the series so Wheaton simply misremembered and thought that Gene was already gone by that point. It's one (mostly minor) detail of something that happened in his life nearly 20 years earlier that when he did the interview from which he pulled that statement. Gene's involvement wasn't as strong as it once was the "other powers" had taken over by that point and wouldn't allow Wheaton to take time off (one episode) to do the movie.
 
Well Trekker as I cannot stand Wheaton, I'm hardly going to go to his blog, am I?

Anyway, I still don't believe Wheaton, he had many episodes where he did not appear, I think he's trying to blame someone else for his career being in the gutter and not take responsibility for his floundering, correction, dead, career.
 
From Wheaton's blog:

Here's the absolute truth why I left Star Trek. I left Star Trek because it was seriously interfering with my career in feature films. I was in a situation where I was constantly having to pass on really good movie roles because I was on the series. I had a film career before Star Trek. People knew me before Star Trek. As a matter of fact, at Comic Con, a lot of people came up to me and said, "I started watching Star Trek because you were on it and I was fan of yours from Stand By Me and I stopped watching it after you left." I had a lot of people say that to me.

After something like this had happened a lot of times, this was finally the last straw: I had been cast by Milos Foreman to be in Valmont. I had gone through lots and lots of callbacks, I had met Milos personally a number of times and he was really supporting me and telling me, "I want you in my movie." I was going to go to Paris and I was going to be in this movie and stuff and what happened was we were going to shoot it during the hiatus and the shooting schedule for Valmont would have carried me over about a week into the regular season schedule into Star Trek. I would have had to sit out the first episode of the year, right. That's not a big deal, it's not like I'm the fuckin' Captain, you know. At that point, I was the guy who pushed buttons and said, "Yes, sir!" So, I said to the people on Star Trek, "I need to be written out of this particular episode, because I'm going to do this movie and my film career's going to take off." This is after Gene Roddenberry had died. Had Gene been alive, it would have been no problem at all, because Gene was that kind of guy. Gene would have said, "Great! Go ahead, you do what you need to do," because he was that kind of person. After Gene died, a very different type of person took over and they said, "We can't write you out because the first episode of the season is all about you. It focuses entirely on your character and it's your story..." So, he said to me, "The story is entirely about you, we can't write you out." I said, "Well, this really sucks, but I'm under contract to you guys and if that's your call and if that's what you say I have to do, I have to do." I had to pass on the movie.

A couple of days before the season was ready to premiere, they wrote me out of the episode entirely. What they were doing was they were sending me a message. The message was, "We own you. Don't you ever try to do anything without us." That was the last straw for me. I called my agents and said, "They don't own me. It's time for me to leave this show, it's time for me to be gone." That's what really pushed me over the edge. It's not worth it anymore. That's why I left.
LINK

So it boils down to: He left because Berman was -surprise, surprise- a dick head.

Or, an actor got his knickers in a twist over the terms of the contract he signed and was obliged to uphold. I'm no fan of Berman et. al, I think that should be obvious by know, but this doesn't really read like "OMG BERMAN IS SUCH A DICK!" it reads like Actor trying to call the shots for the whole TV show to further his career outside that TV show. I realise I have no proof of this whatsoever, so I'm not trying to say this definitively, just reading between the lines - particularly the first paragraph sounds rather puffed up with importance, trying to underline his immense non-Trek fanbase.
 
From Wheaton's blog:

Here's the absolute truth why I left Star Trek. I left Star Trek because it was seriously interfering with my career in feature films. I was in a situation where I was constantly having to pass on really good movie roles because I was on the series. I had a film career before Star Trek. People knew me before Star Trek. As a matter of fact, at Comic Con, a lot of people came up to me and said, "I started watching Star Trek because you were on it and I was fan of yours from Stand By Me and I stopped watching it after you left." I had a lot of people say that to me.

After something like this had happened a lot of times, this was finally the last straw: I had been cast by Milos Foreman to be in Valmont. I had gone through lots and lots of callbacks, I had met Milos personally a number of times and he was really supporting me and telling me, "I want you in my movie." I was going to go to Paris and I was going to be in this movie and stuff and what happened was we were going to shoot it during the hiatus and the shooting schedule for Valmont would have carried me over about a week into the regular season schedule into Star Trek. I would have had to sit out the first episode of the year, right. That's not a big deal, it's not like I'm the fuckin' Captain, you know. At that point, I was the guy who pushed buttons and said, "Yes, sir!" So, I said to the people on Star Trek, "I need to be written out of this particular episode, because I'm going to do this movie and my film career's going to take off." This is after Gene Roddenberry had died. Had Gene been alive, it would have been no problem at all, because Gene was that kind of guy. Gene would have said, "Great! Go ahead, you do what you need to do," because he was that kind of person. After Gene died, a very different type of person took over and they said, "We can't write you out because the first episode of the season is all about you. It focuses entirely on your character and it's your story..." So, he said to me, "The story is entirely about you, we can't write you out." I said, "Well, this really sucks, but I'm under contract to you guys and if that's your call and if that's what you say I have to do, I have to do." I had to pass on the movie.

A couple of days before the season was ready to premiere, they wrote me out of the episode entirely. What they were doing was they were sending me a message. The message was, "We own you. Don't you ever try to do anything without us." That was the last straw for me. I called my agents and said, "They don't own me. It's time for me to leave this show, it's time for me to be gone." That's what really pushed me over the edge. It's not worth it anymore. That's why I left.
LINK

So it boils down to: He left because Berman was -surprise, surprise- a dick head.

Or, an actor got his knickers in a twist over the terms of the contract he signed and was obliged to uphold. I'm no fan of Berman et. al, I think that should be obvious by know, but this doesn't really read like "OMG BERMAN IS SUCH A DICK!" it reads like Actor trying to call the shots for the whole TV show to further his career outside that TV show. I realise I have no proof of this whatsoever, so I'm not trying to say this definitively, just reading between the lines - particularly the first paragraph sounds rather puffed up with importance, trying to underline his immense non-Trek fanbase.

That's exactly how I saw it. Wheaton always comes off as smug and pretentious, but in a way where he tries to conceal it through being 'cool'.

It sounds to me like Wheeton wanted both slices of the cake and Berman was trying to organise the show around a budget and a schedule, not at the whim of a teenager and his career prospects.

The whole article by Wheeton smells of shit, puffery, lies and 'Dem evil producers'.
 
That's exactly how I saw it. Wheaton always comes off as smug and pretentious, but in a way where he tries to conceal it through being 'cool'.

It sounds to me like Wheeton wanted both slices of the cake and Berman was trying to organise the show around a budget and a schedule, not at the whim of a teenager and his career prospects.

The whole article by Wheeton smells of shit, puffery, lies and 'Dem evil producers'.
Smug and pretentious, eh?
 
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