why did the V'ger probe take Ilia?

[urbandefault]

Granted, I'll concede that sometimes terms that start out as hate speech can be reclaimed by the groups they were meant to attack, like "gay" and "queer" have been. But that doesn't necessarily make it okay for people outside those groups to use it -- as with the n-word when it's used within the black community versus when it's used by others. I don't see this term being embraced and redeemed by the Native American community -- I see it being used by a white-dominated sports culture to reduce Native Americans to comical mascots, and being too sentimentally attached to their sports iconography to be honest about its problematical aspects.

There can be legitimate grounds for different points of view on this issue, but that's just it -- they're legitimate. On both sides. Lots of people have very genuine reasons for being concerned by such usage, and it's petty and condescending to insult people's intelligence just because you don't agree with them. If you want to explain why you see it differently, fine, but don't dismiss them as "soft in the head" simply for having a different perspective from yours.

For crying out loud, just stop.

If you want to be a bleeding heart, fine. But you can't expect everyone else to cry along with you. Especially those you're supposedly crying for, when they're not the ones complaining.

This is a minority of a minority of a minority making waves, goaded into it by another miniscule group of malcontents trying to pasteurize and homogenize our culture into something with absolutely no diversity, contrary to what they claim. If these people have their way, one day the only way we'll be able to communicate is to have an English-to-Approved-Speech dictionary open at all times.

Now, CAN WE GET BACK ON TOPIC???

Jeez.

 

[BillJ]

There is no positive definition of the term Redskin. The patent office did research on it.

It would be like having a team named the Washington Niggers (sorry, don't mean to offend anyone) and claiming that it is named that to show respect to black people.

It's non-sense.

The only reason this isn't an issue is because Native Americans are a vanquished people with a small population.

 

[LMFAOschwarz]

Um...I thought Ilia was Deltan, not Native American?

 

[BillJ]

Um...I thought Ilia was Deltan, not Native American?

A Deltan-Native American!

 

[Nebusj]

For crying out loud, just stop.

If you want to be a bleeding heart, fine. But you can't expect everyone else to cry along with you. Especially those you're supposedly crying for, when they're not the ones complaining.

``I know this guy who's totally not offended, so everyone who says it's offensive is proven wrong!''

 

[Nebusj]

Well, at least nobody used "Redshirts" as the name of a sports team...

(That I know of.)

Correct. The closest would be the Red Legs, who no longer exist. Major League Baseball's Cincinnati Reds and St. John's University's Red Storm are the closest team names I know of today.

Well, more, ``redshirt'' is, going back generations, slang for a college athlete who's not playing for the year so as to keep him around for future eligibility (normally the student is supposed to focus on being a student during this time). Naming a sports team the Redshirts would have the connotations of calling a team the Cleveland Benchwarmers or the San Diego Fourth-Stringers.

 

[Solariabsg25]

redshirts don't have relatives

redshirts aren't real people

redshirts are redshirts

That is shirtcist. You offend me, sir!

Ironic that Austin Powers spent more time showing the fall-out and consequnces of the deaths of un-named minions than Trek does with redshirts

 

[Marsden]

I thought the high heels were ugly, but I was wondering if they might have been trying to equalize her height a little so she could be in the scene without having her stand on a box.

Of course that wouldn't be and in universe reason, but neither is sex appeal.