I dunno about that. Was Section 31 good or evil? Was Sisko good or evil in "Pale Moonlight?"
Why did DS9 make season seven so "fantasy"?
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That's what happened in Tears of the Prophets. He didn't show any interest in the Prophets or the Pah Wraiths until then. Though he was probably more interested in pissing off Sisko, with the Dominion reinforcements being a happy coincidence. He doesn't become the religious crazy man until he's occupied by a Pah Wraith, so one could argue it permanently changed him.
Buffy was doing pretty well then, as well, and was getting good critical press. And Angel was starting up. Maybe Behr wanted in on the whole 'fantasy' thing.
I've been rewatching DS9 season six on DVD, and it is every bit as good as I remembered it. So far I've only seen Time To Stand and Rocks And Shoals, but I loved both of them. The Occupation Arc was one of the best in ST history, IMO. Dukat, Damar, and Weyoun are worth the price of admission alone. They are so slimy and evil, and yet so funny at the same time.
Weyoun: Can you hear the laughter of happy children on the Promenade?
Damar: I have doubled the security arrangements in that sector!
I think the 'religion/alien' aspect could have been maintained without going quite so supernatural with it. It was like they ditched the idea that Starfleet viewed these as aliens. I realize that Sisko's perceptions of them changed a bit as the series went on, but then it was suddenly as if he said, 'No, they were gods all along.' Which seemed like a too sudden change, and may be why so many people view this as a bad change.
Also, if the goal of it was to 're-evil' Dukat, I feel this could have both been done without going so supernatural with it, and while still maintaining subtext to Dukat. He could have still been depicted as an overall evil man, just with some layers of ambiguity.
Also, if the goal of it was to 're-evil' Dukat, I feel this could have both been done without going so supernatural with it, and while still maintaining subtext to Dukat. He could have still been depicted as an overall evil man, just with some layers of ambiguity.
I don't think they really abandoned the "Prophets and Pagh Wraiths are really aliens" thing, I think they just focused more on the people who really DID think they were Gods and we were continually hearing it from their mouths. We didn't have the opposing "no they're aliens" characters around to argue the point with them as much since the war was diverting their attention.
As for Dukat, I do like the parallel of him becoming the Anti-Emissary and how he and Sisko both essentially die in a final battle. It has things go full circle and also makes you go "geez" when you think back to episodes like "The Maquis" where Sisko goes through alot to SAVE Dukat.
As for Dukat, I do like the parallel of him becoming the Anti-Emissary and how he and Sisko both essentially die in a final battle. It has things go full circle and also makes you go "geez" when you think back to episodes like "The Maquis" where Sisko goes through alot to SAVE Dukat.
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That was most definitely the weakest part of the final season, and it's kind of a shame there was so much of it in the finale, particularly devoid of any logic. It was just hocus pocus.
All the politics of the Dominion, Cardassia, Alpha Quadrant powers, etc is all great stuff. Even the bit with "Bajoran Dukat" and Kai Winn is strong, but the Pah Wraith story is pure ass.
All the politics of the Dominion, Cardassia, Alpha Quadrant powers, etc is all great stuff. Even the bit with "Bajoran Dukat" and Kai Winn is strong, but the Pah Wraith story is pure ass.
Dukat went crazy and became a one deminsional less interesting character. But I would argue the same happened to Sisko, the new Dax, and many of the other major characters in season 7. The shame of it all was the finale when everyone decided to leave for no real good reason.
Dukat was more evil when he had more depth, when you saw him deluding himself, when you saw his "humanity" and you saw the depth of his evil, and the pulses, and dance between them, it made the dips even more profound
an all evil dukat is just crazy, you feel sorry for a crazy person.
harder to hate them, because you KNOW they are just, wrong in the head.
an all evil dukat is just crazy, you feel sorry for a crazy person.
harder to hate them, because you KNOW they are just, wrong in the head.
On the other hand, seeing how the Demons he worshiped turned out to be real his threats about how he would unleash a galactic wave of fire suddenly became a lot more threatening and less delusional. So by the end he came off as less of a nut and more of a truly deadly fanatic of a dark power. He really WAS the Anti-Emissary (AKA Anti-Christ) by the end.
Except they never actually joined the Federation.
Oh, hell no. BSG has many great episodes, but ultimately the show is insultingly ludicrous.
