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Why did Buffy fail?

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The Movie that is, we all know how successful the TV series was, so how did the movie in 1992 go so horribly wrong? I just watched the movie again, came on TV, and was thinking just how and why did this thing suck so bad when the TV series was a huge success and Joss Whedon was behind both? There is a night and day difference between the movie and the TV series.
 
My understanding is the director made whatever changes s/he felt like from Whedon's script to make it more campy, and I think I also heard there were problems with Donald Sutherland as well.
 
My understanding is the director made whatever changes she felt like

That's my understanding. She apparently kept wanting to make it as different from the script as possible, and the movie just wasn't as good as I think it could have been.

And yeah, it didn't help that Sutherland (supposedly) bad-mouthed the project even on set and only wanted the paycheck out of it. (or so I've heard at conventions)
 
Easy. Joss didn't have control. The craptastic producers (who continued to get credit -- and checks -- with every episode of Buffy, even though they had ZERO control then) screwed it up.
 
I just watched the movie again, came on TV, and was thinking just how and why did this thing suck so bad when the TV series was a huge success and Joss Whedon was behind both?

Because he wasn't behind both. The key is that movies and television are very different in their creative dynamics. In movies, the director and producers have creative control, and writers are treated merely as contractors, hired to do what the director and producers tell them to do. Writers have no control over what gets done with their scripts after they turn them in. Conversely, in television, the writers are the producers, and they have creative control.

So Whedon had no power over Buffy as a movie. He wrote the script, and then it fell under the control of the director, the executive producers, and even the actors. Notably, Donald Sutherland insisted that his part be heavily rewritten to make him more prominent. So the film became a mishmash of what all those other people wanted rather than what Joss Whedon had imagined. It wasn't until Buffy became a TV series, with Whedon as the showrunner, that he was able to do it the way he wanted.

By comparison, the reason Serenity was so true to Whedon's vision and voice was because he was the director as well as the writer. That gave him a level of control analogous to what he had as showrunner on the Firefly TV series.
 
Sometimes it can also be as simple as the right (or wrong) casting. The right group of actors can make a HUGE difference for an film/show centering around a group of characters.
 
The movie actually kept me away from watching the show at first. I remember hearing about them making a show from the movie and thought that it would be campy and dumb- like the movie (actually the movie wasn't horrible but definitely a much different creature than the the TV show ended up being). It wasn't until a friend of mine offered to show me the TV show that I realized how hellacool it actually was, especially since he started me watching from S2!:devil:
 
It's pretty much already been answered, but yeah, the director and her husband (the Kuzuis), who produced, had creative control, not Joss, and this is largely why the film stunk. And these are the people who apparently want to reboot Buffy as a movie series. :crazy:

Regarding Donald Sutherland, he apparently had some creative input as well, and rewrote his lines regularly. I saw an interview with him afterward, and he said the only reason he did the movie was because he thought it would help him connect with younger audiences who were less familiar with his work. He admitted that it didn't work out that way, and he obviously regretted doing the film.
 
My diagnosis: insufficient amount of Sarah Michelle Gellar.

The craptastic producers (who continued to get credit -- and checks -- with every episode of Buffy, even though they had ZERO control then)

I thought that was Angel?

Buffy would make more sense though...
 
Just to give the Cult of Whedon™ and aenurism....I greatly prefer the movie to the series.
 
Just to give the Cult of Whedon™ and aenurism....I greatly prefer the movie to the series.

I must be in that cult and just can't see straight because I see more references to the cult from people than I actually ever see examples of cultish behavior.
 
The Movie that is, we all know how successful the TV series was, so how did the movie in 1992 go so horribly wrong? I just watched the movie again, came on TV, and was thinking just how and why did this thing suck so bad when the TV series was a huge success and Joss Whedon was behind both? There is a night and day difference between the movie and the TV series.


Actually, I thought the movie was better than the series! So I stopped watching after the first season
 
Arggh!

The movie is NON CANON! Any further Buffy production which involves the Kuzuis in anything other than a name-only credit will also be NON-CANON!
 
Oddly enough I just watched the pilot to Buffy again tonight.

The movie IS canon.

When Buffy is first checking into Sunnyvale...they mention she burned down her last schools gym and she mentioned it was full of Vamp...
 
Just to give the Cult of Whedon™ and aenurism....I greatly prefer the movie to the series.

I must be in that cult and just can't see straight because I see more references to the cult from people than I actually ever see examples of cultish behavior.

I guess you are.

Do you think people all over the internet just randomly decided to brand your fandom?
 
To those people who've said that the director - Fran Rubel Kuzui - was responsible for messing with Joss' script and causing the resulting movie to suck, he's actually gone on record stating that this wasn't the case.
 
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