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Why Bill Shatner speaks the way he does

And Gerald Ford fell or stumbled FIVE TIMES in 14 months in office.
He also beaned several people with golf balls and his his tennis partner with a ball as well.
How many times in 8 years did Clinton, Obama or Bush fall?
Ford was a klutz and being a lineman in college doesn't mean you're not.
 
. . . Of course, comedians exaggerate it -- they exaggerate it because it IS a thing and it's NOT normal.
I wish Roddenberry and/or the directors would have gotten him to dial that crap back.
Did he ever do that in the movies?
Shatner's performances in The Wrath of Khan and The Undiscovered Country were relatively restrained. Not coincidentally, both pictures were directed by Nicholas Meyer.


And Gerald Ford fell or stumbled FIVE TIMES in 14 months in office.
He also beaned several people with golf balls and his his tennis partner with a ball as well.
How many times in 8 years did Clinton, Obama or Bush fall?
Ford was a klutz and being a lineman in college doesn't mean you're not.
Besides, what else about Ford could comedians make the butt of jokes? The man had the personality of tapioca pudding.

Bush 41 vomited in the lap of the Japanese Prime Minister...that's gotta count for something.
"I can't believe I threw up in front of the Japanese Prime Minister."

"Face it, Mr. President. You threw up on the Japanese Prime Minister."
 
And Gerald Ford fell or stumbled FIVE TIMES in 14 months in office.
He also beaned several people with golf balls and his his tennis partner with a ball as well.
How many times in 8 years did Clinton, Obama or Bush fall?
Ford was a klutz and being a lineman in college doesn't mean you're not.

Off topic, but former President Ford was on the same airliner as I was when I took a flight to New York several years ago. He had to be the shortest Commander In Chief in history. :lol:
 
Several?
He's been dead for at least 7 years hasn't he.
I checked....he died in 2006-- of course he's short....he's been lying on his back in a coffin for ten years.

Also funny dove-tail Ford/Shatner....
Ford would always mispronounce the word "judgement" as judge-a-ment.

Glad Shatner never heard Ford give a speech-----
"In. My. Judge-a-ment Mr. Spock therisksarejusttoogreat!"
 
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Tom Baker in Dr Who used pauses very, very well. He could get across the strong sense that you were actually witnessing spontaneous thought going on in the character's mind.
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Shatner did do it from the start in ST, but in a natural restrained way, that didn't call attention to itself. Later on in Trek, he exaggerated it so that it became a quirk. So very valuable and good at the start, for the same reason as with Tom Baker, but later, self-caricature.
 
And Gerald Ford fell or stumbled FIVE TIMES in 14 months in office.
He also beaned several people with golf balls and his his tennis partner with a ball as well.
How many times in 8 years did Clinton, Obama or Bush fall?
Ford was a klutz and being a lineman in college doesn't mean you're not.

Yes, five times in 14 months. That would mean 34 times in 8 years, proportionally!!! Quite a lot, indeed!
 
The Shat can't act ... he sure as hell can't direct ... but thanks to his hammyness, his "camp," if you will ... he's entertaining to watch. That's a major reason why I love THE SEARCH for SPOCK, so much ... it was wall-to-wall Shat.
 
Sorry that you're surrounded by bad over-actors, Chris. That's gotta be tough. Most people I know don't spout memorized speeches, but. They don't. Dramatically stop. After two or. Three words. Most of the time. They are. Speaking.

And neither does Shatner. You're mistaking the caricature for the reality.

And realism is a lame attempt at a defense. It's Star Trek. There's almost literally nothing that's realistic about it.

By 1960s standards, yes, there was. Roddenberry's specific, explicit intention for Star Trek was to make it the first SF television drama with continuing characters to be approached as naturalistic adult drama in the vein of shows like Gunsmoke and Naked City. The first three pages of the second-season writers' bible are an extended lecture about realism and the importance of not having the characters act in a way that would be unbelievable in a present-day setting. And Star Trek was one of the vanishingly few SFTV series until recent decades to bother with scientific consultants or make even the most cursory attempt at plausible science, though it often made informed concessions for dramatic or budgetary purposes.

But the standards of realism have changed over the generations. Art evolves over time. For thousands of years, all drama was done on the stage and had to be stylized and larger than life for the performances to be legible to people in the back rows. Once film and television came along, once cameras and microphones could get up close to the performers, acting styles began to evolve in a more naturalistic direction. Eventually the same happened with cinematography as well, with more handheld camera use, lens flares, and other techniques suggesting a documentary feel. But it was a gradual process of evolution, so what audiences half a century ago would have seen as realistic would seem stagey and artificial to modern audiences. It's not just Star Trek; look at any "naturalistic" show or movie or docudrama of the '60s or '70s, anything that was made with the goal of feeling true-to-life and grounded or even meant to simulate actual documentary footage, and it will seem far more staged and artificial than a modern equivalent.

And that's what I'm saying about Shatner's performance style -- at least the performance style he started out with and made his name with in the '50s and '60s, as opposed to the self-caricature he's embraced in the past couple of decades. It's stagier than modern acting styles, yes, but it's fairly naturalistic within the context of the theatrical, Shakespearean tradition in which he was trained. It's a stylized representation of natural hesitation, a calculated simulation of a character making up his lines as he goes rather than reciting them as rote. Everything is relative, and I judge Shatner's performance style in the context of the theatrical tradition in which he was trained.


And as per that clip, it's about an actor who can't completely remember their lines adding time to recall them. Certainly not something people tend to do in the real world.

And I've already pointed out that, yes, they absolutely do. My father did it all the time -- pausing to decide what he wanted to say next. I often got very impatient waiting for him to finish a sentence. (And I think I must do the same thing to some extent, because I know he'd often interrupt and try to finish my sentences for me. Except it wasn't the usual "finish each other's sentences" thing where two people are perfectly in sync, because whenever my father tried to finish one of my sentences, he almost invariably guessed wrong about what I was going to say.)


But to try to explain away his over-acting is more than a bit disingenuous.

I'm not "explaining it away," I'm putting it in context. Because it's unfair to judge it without that context.
 
You can write a book on the subject, but still Shatners acting is in no way real or natural.
That speech in Amok Time -- "Why.. must Spock die.. ..why..."

It's hammy "look at me" acting.
 
You can write a book on the subject, but still Shatners acting is in no way real or natural.
That speech in Amok Time -- "Why.. must Spock die.. ..why..."

It's hammy "look at me" acting.

Or Kirk's long winded talk from OG : "Look....at....these....three....words....."
 
Thank you for your attempt at context. I find it less than compelling. I will treat it as any other internet attempt to supplant a lifetime of experience with what is clearly "anecdotal evidence" at best. I can't argue whether your father spoke like Shatner's overacting, but it's more reminiscent of a speech impediment than anything resembling normal or natural speech.

Case in point:
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Thank you for your attempt at context. I find it less than compelling. I will treat it as any other internet attempt to supplant a lifetime of experience with what is clearly "anecdotal evidence" at best. I can't argue whether your father spoke like Shatner's overacting, but it's more reminiscent of a speech impediment than anything resembling normal or natural speech.

Case in point:
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You sound like Spock...or Data.:nyah:
 
That "overacting" has kept the man employed for 60+ years. That's more than a lot of actors, maybe most, from his generation.

An affirmative defense. Yes, it's overacting, but that overacting has kept him employed. Wonderful. Now that we've settled whether it's overacting or not, we can move on.
 
An affirmative defense. Yes, it's overacting, but that overacting has kept him employed. Wonderful. Now that we've settled whether it's overacting or not, we can move on.
"Overacting" is your word, hence the quotes. I was commenting on his unique style being something that producers seem to want, and that audiences apparently enjoy.
 
Maybe the way actors speak on TV is naturalistic for now. I hope not. Maybe people today are more mumbly, detached, blank, and shallow. I hope acting today doesn't reflect reality. Acting in the 60s though, the good acting, was more human and compelling, with far more of an impression that a complete human being with a mind and soul was talking.

We see what we expect to see. If the culture tells us Shatner's just a bad ham actor, as much in 1966 as now, that's what a lot of people will see, no matter what the truth is.
 
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