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Who sabotaged the warp drive?

You're trying a little too hard here, methinks. No one has said anything at about hating "other people with different opinions," and the only thing I'm seeing which comes anywhere near being a rant is the post from which I'm currently quoting.
I was specifically told, in no uncertain terms, by Colorwhoever, that my opinion was meaningless and that only his and his alone mattered. They also seem to believe that opinions can't be flat-out wrong, especially their own.

You're less than satisfied with some aspects of the writing - and that's fine.
No, I've been told that's not fine. Repeatedly.

Others may feel differently about those aspects - which is also fine.
Which I've also said, several times in fact.

That, of course, doesn't mean their opinions are valid or make any sense. An opinion is just something random you happen to think. It doesn't make it right, and it certainly doesn't make it fact. People can and do have the opinion that there is an all-powerful magic sky person who answers their psychic wishes, but that doesn't mean there is one. People can and do have the opinion that getting their children vaccinated will give them autism, but that doesn't mean that it will. People can and do have the opinion that climate change is/was made up by evil scientists, but that doesn't meant it was. etc.

In fact, one humorous note about those types of people is that if someone comes in and points out the flaws in their opinions, they lose their minds and start rattling off the most ridiculous things. Including telling the other person that they don't matter, that their opinion is just as valid as anyone else's, and yadda yadda yadda.

Which is certainly the case here. The only counter-opinions offered have been: 1. "It didn't matter to the story!" which is wrong because it did, 2. "It totally happened off screen, because we can't assume the characters are complete idiots, so that makes the writing perfect!" which it doesn't, and 3. "Shut up, only my opinion matters, and now go away." And yes, those are all paraphrases.

But hey, if you're of the opinion that it was the most brilliant writing ever by not simply admitting -- and adamantly refusing to admit it, too -- that it was a poor choice on the writer's part, then there's nothing that's ever wrong with any work of fiction ever. Especially if your only valid argument is #2 above. In STID, why even bother to show McCoy discovering the property's of Khan's blood or even giving a reason for why Uhura beams down to stop Spock from killing him? Just show Kirk dead, then alive ten minutes later, and don't address it one iota. I mean, it "didn't matter to the story" even though it did, and "we can't assume the characters are complete idiots," so they clearly did all of the above even though they didn't even so much as mention it. Right? That's how this works, yeah?

Those differences of opinion may be discussed, but no one should feel in any way obligated to defend anything just because they like it and someone else doesn't.
Uhm, no, people are obligated to defend an opinion if they're going to try and claim it as fact. That's the whole point of a debate. Despite what Donald Trump would have you believe, you don't just get to run in, say something asinine, then drop the mike and leave. Sure you can do that, but that doesn't make it any less asinine and it certainly doesn't make whatever opinion he had valid.

Everyone doesn't have to like the same things. It's okay, and that you disagree with another poster is no reason to get personal. You just disagree about a movie - no big deal, right?
Sorry, your friend got personal first. You choosing to be blind to that doesn't change that fact (as opposed to an opinion) at all.
 
Even Ricky the latrine attendant?
Especially Ricky. I want to know what motivated him to devote his career to latrines. Was it lost childhood? Was it to get away from the failed relationship in which his boyfriend somehow ended up pregnant despite the fact that Ricky always wore protection and human males shouldn't be able to get pregnant? Or does he just realize that even in a super high-tech future, attending the latrines is no less important than it was in the days of wooden ships with sails? We won't know canonically, because Abrams and his Asshats refused to tell this guy's story.
 
2. "It totally happened off screen, because we can't assume the characters are complete idiots, so that makes the writing perfect!" which it doesn't

If that was a shot at me, please remind me when I claimed that my willingness to assume the characters investigated the sabotage off-screen means that the writing is perfect. I am over 40 years old, and I realize that memory, as they say, is the first thing to go, so I would appreciate the refresh.

Thanks!
 
In your opinion. I never gave any thought to who sabotaged the Enterprise, because, to me, it wasn't an important part of the story being told.
Exactly. My whole point was that people don't have to accept another person's opinion as fact, no matter how important that person thinks his or her opinion is on the matter. For example, I can insist the sky is beautiful, but if you don't love rainy days, you're not going to agree with me. My repeatedly insisting that you're wrong and that the sky is beautiful doesn't change anything. Your opinion matters to you, because those are your personal tastes, and my personal tastes shouldn't play into it.
 
I was specifically told, in no uncertain terms, by Colorwhoever, that my opinion was meaningless and that only his and his alone mattered. They also seem to believe that opinions can't be flat-out wrong, especially their own.


No, I've been told that's not fine. Repeatedly.


Which I've also said, several times in fact.

That, of course, doesn't mean their opinions are valid or make any sense. An opinion is just something random you happen to think. It doesn't make it right, and it certainly doesn't make it fact. People can and do have the opinion that there is an all-powerful magic sky person who answers their psychic wishes, but that doesn't mean there is one. People can and do have the opinion that getting their children vaccinated will give them autism, but that doesn't mean that it will. People can and do have the opinion that climate change is/was made up by evil scientists, but that doesn't meant it was. etc.

In fact, one humorous note about those types of people is that if someone comes in and points out the flaws in their opinions, they lose their minds and start rattling off the most ridiculous things. Including telling the other person that they don't matter, that their opinion is just as valid as anyone else's, and yadda yadda yadda.

Which is certainly the case here. The only counter-opinions offered have been: 1. "It didn't matter to the story!" which is wrong because it did, 2. "It totally happened off screen, because we can't assume the characters are complete idiots, so that makes the writing perfect!" which it doesn't, and 3. "Shut up, only my opinion matters, and now go away." And yes, those are all paraphrases.

But hey, if you're of the opinion that it was the most brilliant writing ever by not simply admitting -- and adamantly refusing to admit it, too -- that it was a poor choice on the writer's part, then there's nothing that's ever wrong with any work of fiction ever. Especially if your only valid argument is #2 above. In STID, why even bother to show McCoy discovering the property's of Khan's blood or even giving a reason for why Uhura beams down to stop Spock from killing him? Just show Kirk dead, then alive ten minutes later, and don't address it one iota. I mean, it "didn't matter to the story" even though it did, and "we can't assume the characters are complete idiots," so they clearly did all of the above even though they didn't even so much as mention it. Right? That's how this works, yeah?


Uhm, no, people are obligated to defend an opinion if they're going to try and claim it as fact. That's the whole point of a debate. Despite what Donald Trump would have you believe, you don't just get to run in, say something asinine, then drop the mike and leave. Sure you can do that, but that doesn't make it any less asinine and it certainly doesn't make whatever opinion he had valid.


Sorry, your friend got personal first. You choosing to be blind to that doesn't change that fact (as opposed to an opinion) at all.

You're misrepresenting people's posts, arguing with the moderator, needlessly bringing politics into the discussion, accusing the mod of bias, and being unnecessarily hostile and hyperbolic. Stop, or you'll receive an infraction.
 
What?! They don't have a pill for that? They have a pill that can grow a new kidney in six minutes but they don't have one that can simply process all the waste matter? What the hell kind of future utopia is this, anyway? :scream::censored::mad:
 
In your opinion. I never gave any thought to who sabotaged the Enterprise, because, to me, it wasn't an important part of the story being told.

Agreed.

Assuming that Marcus had an agent aboard: either that person was caught and prosecuted, or they escaped and presumably avoided detection (which would make sense, given that Starfleet would surely be 'purged' of all Section 31 influences afterward). Either way is fine. :shrug:
 
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They just beam it out of you.

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It's probably not a good idea to watch that scene if you're a Trek nerd of my calibre. Even taking into account that it's a bunch of stoners talking, their mistakes are glaring and infuriating.
Yeah found it here

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Carol_Marcus_(alternate_reality)

He didn't break her leg but according to this broke her hip, but in the brig she's holding her leg. Ouch!!!!!!!!!!
Doesn't he stomp on her leg, thereby breaking it?
 
It's probably not a good idea to watch that scene if you're a Trek nerd of my calibre. Even taking into account that it's a bunch of stoners talking, their mistakes are glaring and infuriating.
This might be the least complimentary brag ever.
 
It's probably not a good idea to watch that scene if you're a Trek nerd of my calibre. Even taking into account that it's a bunch of stoners talking, their mistakes are glaring and infuriating.

Doesn't he stomp on her leg, thereby breaking it?


That is what I thought till I read the memory alpha page. They don't really show you much of what he actually did to Carol. You hear her scream and then the other scream from when he explodes her fathers skull. That was gross with crunchy sounds and all.
 
They just beam it out of you.

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That was a Family Guy episode--the future with no religion. It'd be nice. That or being an android and never having to see a bathroom again.
 
Answer: Admiral Marcus did, while the Enterprise was home being prepped for the mission to the Klingon homeworld. It was only because of Chekhov that he detected the sabotage, but initially thought there was a regular engineering problem (hence the emergency shutdown). Later, Kirk and company realized that the problem was really sabotage, especially when Marcus had flew out to meet up with the Enterprise. IMO.
 
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