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who is the Dominion? VOTE!

The Dominion is essentially...


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Temis the Vorta

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Okay let's settle this one and for all. DS9 depicted the Dominion in a fairly garbled way, depending on the needs of the plot at the time. What does the peanut gallery accept as the canon truth?

And no "half and half" answers. If you think the Dominion is 80% X and 20% Y or 51%/49%, you must vote for the major proportion.
 
I voted the second option.

An the fundamental level, they were a pack of paranoid loonies (not without reasons, if we believe their history), and they created an implacable empire bent on conquest because it was the easiest and safest way for them to quell their paranoia. If handled with caution (and a stick big enough), they could be made peaceful neighbours. Their defeat at the hand of the Federation Alliance could be the key to that. It will take a time, probably, but it can be done. People can change.
 
Okay let's settle this one and for all. DS9 depicted the Dominion in a fairly garbled way, depending on the needs of the plot at the time. What does the peanut gallery accept as the canon truth?

And no "half and half" answers. If you think the Dominion is 80% X and 20% Y or 51%/49%, you must vote for the major proportion.

I don't agree with any of this. The Dominion is complicated, instead of being a standard one-dimensional adversary. That is not garbled, it is what makes them interesting.

Exemple: the Founders are paranoid, but that paranoia is justified to an extent, due not only to their history, but by the reaction of the Alpha Quadrant powers, who stage a first strike against them, prior to any Dominion invasion of the alpha quadrant.

When the FC says that Odo returning to the Link is more important to the Founders than the entire alpha quadrant, there is no reason not to believe her. So, the Dominion may be bent on conquest, but that is not their only goal. The Founders may breed two races of slaves, yet each retains at least an element of freewill, a potential for "deficiency." The Jem'Hadar have a sense of honor, the Vorta can place self-preservation above the will of the Founders, etc.

The Dominion is not monolithic, which is good. I didn't vote.
 
Basically the Dominion only had one thing in mind, total conquest. How they ever hoped to do it with a bunch of miss-fits on their side, it's no wonder they failed.
 
I picked option one. I'd like to add that the Dominion are the ultimate control freaks -- and we know how messed up control freaks can be.

How about pack of paranoid loonies relentlessly bent on conquest?

Works for me, too!
 
Okay let's settle this one and for all. DS9 depicted the Dominion in a fairly garbled way, depending on the needs of the plot at the time. What does the peanut gallery accept as the canon truth?

And no "half and half" answers. If you think the Dominion is 80% X and 20% Y or 51%/49%, you must vote for the major proportion.

I don't agree with any of this. The Dominion is complicated, instead of being a standard one-dimensional adversary. That is not garbled, it is what makes them interesting.

Exemple: the Founders are paranoid, but that paranoia is justified to an extent, due not only to their history, but by the reaction of the Alpha Quadrant powers, who stage a first strike against them, prior to any Dominion invasion of the alpha quadrant.

When the FC says that Odo returning to the Link is more important to the Founders than the entire alpha quadrant, there is no reason not to believe her. So, the Dominion may be bent on conquest, but that is not their only goal. The Founders may breed two races of slaves, yet each retains at least an element of freewill, a potential for "deficiency." The Jem'Hadar have a sense of honor, the Vorta can place self-preservation above the will of the Founders, etc.

The Dominion is not monolithic, which is good. I didn't vote.
^^^

I've often wondered about the female changeling's statement to Odo that having him rejoin the link was more important than the AQ.

What about the changeling ambassador, Martok, and Bashir — all who were killed? And the Bashir changeling was planning to die.

Is Odo *that* much more special, or was she trying to manipulation him?
 
^ She was exaggerating... basically, she was trying to show how little she cared for solids, and that her own kind were far more important. And she was also trying to manipulate him and convince him how much the Great Link cared about him.
 
Awww. The empire is winning. Close contest, tho. :rommie:

If the Dominion is implacably bent on conquest, then the Feds are utter dolts for signing a treaty, letting them go back to the GQ and re-arm in peace, right?

I don't agree with any of this. The Dominion is complicated, instead of being a standard one-dimensional adversary. That is not garbled, it is what makes them interesting.
Trouble is, I don't believe the way the Dominion was written, to be "interestingly complicated," was intentional. I think the writers just made it up as they went, as TV writers usually do, and the parts didn't fit so well. ;)

If you want to make excuses for the writers after the fact, go right ahead. I just don't feel any obligation to.

I've often wondered about the female changeling's statement to Odo that having him rejoin the link was more important than the AQ.

What about the changeling ambassador, Martok, and Bashir — all who were killed? And the Bashir changeling was planning to die.

Is Odo *that* much more special, or was she trying to manipulation him?
Ah, but Odo was a main character and the other changelings were just walk-ons. ;) Yet another part that didn't quite fit so well...
 
Trouble is, I don't believe the way the Dominion was written, to be "interestingly complicated," was intentional.

Why else would there be three distinct races instead of one, and why else would one of those races be intimately related to one of the show's main characters? Designing three races and making one of them Odo's long-lost family is not a recipe for a one-dimensional adversary. Either the DS9 writers were profoundly stupid, or they were intentionally creating an adversary that had the potential to be interestingly complicated.

The Jem'Hadar and Vorta have a degree of freewill because otherwise they would just be drones and have no personality (and probably also be less effective warriors and diplomats/administrators respectively). The Founders are shown to care deeply about Odo because it contrasts with their capacity for brutality toward "solids."

I think the writers just made it up as they went, as TV writers usually do, and the parts didn't fit so well. ;)

The idea that the Dominion was created to be more complex than the standard one-dimensional adversary is not incompatible with the idea that the writers also made it up as they went along and that there are some inconsistencies.

However, a certain amount of ambiguity is definitely good. Take the two options in the poll. There is no contradiction at all between the idea that the Founders are driven at least in part by paranoia, and the idea that they are bent on conquest because paranoia is in fact one very common motivating factor for militaristic behavior and brutality.

I've often wondered about the female changeling's statement to Odo that having him rejoin the link was more important than the AQ.

What about the changeling ambassador, Martok, and Bashir — all who were killed? And the Bashir changeling was planning to die.

Is Odo *that* much more special, or was she trying to manipulation him?

Weyoun comes up to her and compliments the FC on her manipulation of Odo. She rebukes him and emphasizes that Odo's return to the Link is more important than conquest.

On the other hand, we know that some changelings are willing to sacrifice themselves to further the Dominion's military goals, and that the Link is comfortable with this type of sacrifice on a limited basis.

OMFG!!! A contradiction! Call the continuity police!

Or we could consider that similar "inconsistencies" thrive in human societies that actually exist back here on earth in reality. Human beings are certainly capable of loving their family members more than material gain or military success, yet we deem that certain sacrifices are necessary to protect our society as a whole. Parents may send their children off to die in war, yet go on loving them and would certainly consider their children more important, intrinsically, than whatever military goal might be achieved by their childrens' sacrifices.

Beyond that, we know as of The Search that the main goal of the Dominion's military activities is not conquest per se but the protection of the Link. So the Founders' motivation can be summed up pretty easily: they value the lives of changelings, but they don't value the lives of solids who they see as an existential threat that needs to be controlled, dominated and, if necessary, destroyed. If this implies a certain loss of changeling life, then that sacrifice is considered tolerable on a limited basis and is doubtless honored as a selfless behavior that furthers the goals of changeling society as a whole. Inconsistent? Yeah, sure, in the same way that human society often is.
 
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A pack of paranoid loonies that can make peaceful neighbors if handled carefully turned an implacable empire bent relentlessly on conquest?

I voted for option 2, 'coz I think they started as paranoid loonies. After 10 000 years we got what we got.
 
The Dominion is the will of the Founders. I can't see them wanting glory or wealth: they want controlling power. Not necessarily power for itself, but they want to be utterly free of threats. The discovery of the wormhole made the Federation and others a potential threat, and frequent (though misunderstood) incursions and the later Tal Shiar-Obisidian Order threat made that threat more pointed. Their solution was to subjugate the threatening powers.
 
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