Nah, that only earned him a commendation. No, seriously. Go back and watch Threshold, at the end Janeway really does tell Tom she's putting a commendation in his file.
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Nah, that only earned him a commendation. No, seriously. Go back and watch Threshold, at the end Janeway really does tell Tom she's putting a commendation in his file.
He did her lizard-style though...
I have to give it to Voyager. That episode was so goddammed stupid that it deserved to be in the top ten just for creativity alone. 
At least Janeway owned up to it and didn't pull a Tasha Yar and tell Paris 'it never happened'.
About Ro Laren: I don't see how having the Bajoran miltia getting absorbed into Starfleet automatically equals Ro Laren becoming part of Starfleet.
Or that the militia has to surrender autonomy in order for Bajor to join the Federation.
Let alone her being commanding officer. They won't even let Worf have his own command.
That was just way to over the top to believe.
At least Janeway owned up to it and didn't pull a Tasha Yar and tell Paris 'it never happened'.
About Ro Laren: I don't see how having the Bajoran miltia getting absorbed into Starfleet automatically equals Ro Laren becoming part of Starfleet.
Or that the militia has to surrender autonomy in order for Bajor to join the Federation.
Let alone her being commanding officer. They won't even let Worf have his own command.
That was just way to over the top to believe.
I have to give it to Voyager. That episode was so goddammed stupid that it deserved to be in the top ten just for creativity alone.
At least Janeway owned up to it and didn't pull a Tasha Yar and tell Paris 'it never happened'.
About Ro Laren: I don't see how having the Bajoran miltia getting absorbed into Starfleet automatically equals Ro Laren becoming part of Starfleet.
Or that the militia has to surrender autonomy in order for Bajor to join the Federation.
Let alone her being commanding officer. They won't even let Worf have his own command.
That was just way to over the top to believe.
Wait... Tasha Yar had a "it never happened" episode? When? Definitely not Yesterday's Enterprise, since it did happen! She even had a daughter that betrayed and then despised her .... That's the fun part about Yesterday's Enterprise, it feels like a "it was all a dream, never happen, alternate reality" kind of episode except that part of it did happen. Talk about a mixed bag!
Ro Laren was Maquis, not Bajoran militia, when there was a question of Bajor joining the Federation. I don't know what her fate is in the Novelverse, but in the TV show there's no indication of whether she even survived the Dominion purge. But if she did she'd be considered a traitor.
In Naked Now Tasha told Data 'It never happened'.
In Naked Now Tasha told Data 'It never happened'.
I never got what the deal was with Kim. Such high remakrs from the Academy, yet he was whiny, self-doubting, often a blend-into-the-crowd or follower type, who seemed to possess no remarkable traits of skills. I'd give him high remakrs on cleaning a latrine.
Kim was obsessed with pleasing others and afraid to take risks.
He's basically Picard if he never got in a fight with a Nausicaan.
He's basically Picard if he never got in a fight with a Nausicaan.
One might interpret it that way.
But Kim was very persistent when he tried to convince Tuvok to call in the Vidiians for help to rescue Chakotay and Janeway from this planet they had to stay behind because of that disease. So he was willing to risk a confrontation with the Vidiians. Hm, as to Kim in the first VOY episodes, you are right.
Kim probably would have been better suited for short term starship missions, outpost assignments, or maybe even some theoretical engineering lab. But instead he's put on a starship that is out of contact with Starfleet for five or more years. He seems like he'd been good at getting something done as an assignment, get a nice mark on his record, then move on to the next assignment. He'd ahve a lot of high marks and experiances, but never be on one ship or base for more than two years.
The novels have it that Ro Laren survived and was given a commission in the Bajoran militia. I could see that happening because they would want an experienced officer with skills to share.
And most likely, they hate Cardassians so much, they would do it out of principle.
But being let back into Starfleet and given a command role tips it over the edge of credibility.
She never really seemed to be that enthusiastic about being in Starfleet to begin with.
And the look Picard had after learning what happened suggested he would never trust her again.
Yes, this was another crew coupling, Data and Yar. She didn't want to admit it happened.
Janeway completely owned up to it and even suggested she might have initiated it.
BTW, Ro and Riker did it, and a few months later she gets into special training and given a promotion--coincidence?
Garrett Wang might agree.
If Kim's character came off lacking, Wang suggests it was because the cast was told to express themselves in a bland strict, emotionless way.
That was to make the aliens stand out.
I have to give it to Voyager. That episode was so goddammed stupid that it deserved to be in the top ten just for creativity alone.
At least Janeway owned up to it and didn't pull a Tasha Yar and tell Paris 'it never happened'.
About Ro Laren: I don't see how having the Bajoran miltia getting absorbed into Starfleet automatically equals Ro Laren becoming part of Starfleet.
Ro being allowed back into Starfleet depends entirely on:
If she survived the Dominion.
What here mission was.
The terms of Bajor's admission into the Federation.
If she didn't survive the Dominion nothing else matters.
What was he mission in Preemptive Strike? Could she have come back to the Enterprise already knowing she was going to infiltrate a Maquis cell. If she did, her true mission was to ingrain herself so deep into the Maquis that it would seem impossible for her to ever go back. She may have even been a Section 31 agent. By betraying Starfleet she would, after awhile, get into the highest levels of the Maquis and be able to bring the whole thing down at once. The Dominion War just ended that plan.
The terms of Bajor's admission into the Federation could have granted amnesty to all Bajorans who were members of the Maquis or any resistance group that fought the Cardassians and allow the Maquis to join Starfleet if they chose. The Federation really wanted Bajor in the Federation to solidify the Wormhole as a Federation asset. To do that, granting amnesty and allowing admission into Starfleet Bajoran members of the Maquis would not be a deal breaker. Unless the Federation was willing to take the Wormhole by force, Bajor held all the cards at the negotiation table.
She was actually made chief of security, and then the commanding officer.
She would have all types of clearances and authority.
I don't blame her for doing what she did in P.S, but technically, she's a security risk.
She's was up for treason, insubordination, and a number of other things. They couldn't trust her again.
She would have all types of clearances and authority.
I don't blame her for doing what she did in P.S, but technically, she's a security risk.
She's was up for treason, insubordination, and a number of other things. They couldn't trust her again.
Bajor felt like they could trust her. They like people that go with their heart. That Kira was able to deal with her I suppose is something to either Kira or Ro's credit. Depending on how long it was between Ro becoming head of security for DS9 and then taking on a command role when Kira is away to taking over the station, I could believe the trust issues being solved by action and duty to the station and Bajor over whatever Ro's conscience told her to do in backing the Marquis rather than Starfleet.
I can see that. In post-Dominion Bajor, fighting against the Cardassians would hardly be considered a crime. And then she would de-facto be back in Starfleet when it was absorbed. It would then be politically sensitive to prosecute any surviving Maquis, and also any lawyer would bring up Voyager as evidence of an implicit amnesty. "If those Maquis were allowed to remain in Starfleet, why not Ro?"
But even with all that being the case, she would never be assigned to any sensitive mission outside of Bajor.
But even with all that being the case, she would never be assigned to any sensitive mission outside of Bajor.
For no reason? For NO REASON?!?
His actions led to the destruction of the Reliant and several deaths. He's lucky he wasn't sacked.I think the answer is that Kirk had got a hold of certain incriminating photos....
For no reason? For NO REASON?!?
Those actions were committed while a brain controlling parasite was inside his head, so he can hardly be held responsible for that.
For no reason? For NO REASON?!?
Those actions were committed while a brain controlling parasite was inside his head, so he can hardly be held responsible for that.
That just reminds me of how interesting court martials in Starfleet can really get.
"Wait, wait, wait. So you're telling me that you went to the wrong planet, were pinned down by genetically enhanced supermen from the 20th century who were cryogenically frozen for 300 years, and then they put a mind control worm into your ear to gain your total obedience?"
"No sir, it was an eel. And technically they didn't put it in my ear, they put it in the helmet. The eel made its way into my ear."
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