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Who is going to win this election in November?

Who will win the general presidential election?

  • Donald Trump

    Votes: 37 22.7%
  • Hillary Clinton

    Votes: 126 77.3%

  • Total voters
    163
  • Poll closed .
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As I said in the Forum that Can't Be Named - I'm sure President Clinton will gladly accept his resignation in after the new year.
 
I think Ohio and Florida will be close. They always are. Trump might win one of them, but not both. As usual, it's the cities that tell the real tale.

I'm in Virginia, and where I live I haven't seen a single Clinton sign. Trump signs are everywhere. It's because people are mostly old, white, or military (and a lot of them inexplicably support him despite him being an inept moron who insulted a Gold Star family). My brother -- who lives in Florida -- and I are the only ones in my whole family that will vote Hillary. My mom might....I know she hates Trump but she's apathetic toward Hillary, and if she had her way she wouldn't vote at all because she hates politics, but I convinced her that this was the most important election of her lifetime, so she had to.

Anyway, of course everyone I know and I've been around is supremely confident of some sort of surprise Trump win. But they are forgetting the large Black population, and college students, that sends many of these counties and cities Blue, and along with Northern Virginia, will likely make Virginia a Dem state again.

I am preparing myself for a lot of complaining and teeth-gnashing on Wednesday. It always happens. My aunt did it in 2012. "All I saw were Romney signs....everywhere! I was sure we'd win!"

My only concern is that it might be closer than I'd like. I've said it before in this thread....Hillary needs a big win to repudiate Trumpism. If she wins but only just, like say....290 votes, or 283 or something, they will be emboldened and their "It was rigged!" yelling and screaming after the election will be louder.

Comey's and the FBI's part in this is mind-bogglingly stupid. No one will ever be able to definitely prove that he was trying to influence the election. But this, the hacking and the fake documents....it's all going to be part of election shenanigans going forward. Just like way back when people messed with the ballots to split voting...we're going to have to deal with this now. How much worse will it be in 2020?
 
It still puzzles me. When people run for office they have advisers telling them how to act, what kind of things to say, yet most of what Trump has said this campaign has been offensive to many groups.

What sort of people had been advising him?
 
We went out in the Hill Country a few weeks back for camping. We didn't see a single sign for the presidential election. Just a few local (county or town) ones.

However, we did pass a ranch just northwest of San Antonio, with a big sign for Bernie
 
I think Ohio and Florida will be close. They always are. Trump might win one of them, but not both. As usual, it's the cities that tell the real tale.

I'm in Virginia, and where I live I haven't seen a single Clinton sign. Trump signs are everywhere. It's because people are mostly old, white, or military (and a lot of them inexplicably support him despite him being an inept moron who insulted a Gold Star family). My brother -- who lives in Florida -- and I are the only ones in my whole family that will vote Hillary. My mom might....I know she hates Trump but she's apathetic toward Hillary, and if she had her way she wouldn't vote at all because she hates politics, but I convinced her that this was the most important election of her lifetime, so she had to.

Anyway, of course everyone I know and I've been around is supremely confident of some sort of surprise Trump win. But they are forgetting the large Black population, and college students, that sends many of these counties and cities Blue, and along with Northern Virginia, will likely make Virginia a Dem state again.

I am preparing myself for a lot of complaining and teeth-gnashing on Wednesday. It always happens. My aunt did it in 2012. "All I saw were Romney signs....everywhere! I was sure we'd win!"

My only concern is that it might be closer than I'd like. I've said it before in this thread....Hillary needs a big win to repudiate Trumpism. If she wins but only just, like say....290 votes, or 283 or something, they will be emboldened and their "It was rigged!" yelling and screaming after the election will be louder.

Comey's and the FBI's part in this is mind-bogglingly stupid. No one will ever be able to definitely prove that he was trying to influence the election. But this, the hacking and the fake documents....it's all going to be part of election shenanigans going forward. Just like way back when people messed with the ballots to split voting...we're going to have to deal with this now. How much worse will it be in 2020?

I also live in Virginia and saw nothing but Trump signs for a long time but suddenly within the last three weeks Clinton signs have been popping up all over. I don't know why it took so long, maybe they finally made a commitment. My daughter works in Northern VA and sees nothing but Clinton signs over there.

Virginia is cut down the middle, west of the Blue Ridge, largely rural, less populated is mostly Republican, east of the Blue Ridge (where most of the larger cities are located) is mostly Democrat. As far as I know the largest city in the west is maybe Roanoke? It usually goes red. The state as a whole has swung blue in the last two elections. It's not the Republican stronghold it once was.

I wish we had early voting here, I would have done it as soon as possible just to get it over with. I will be at the polls as soon as they open. I want this thing done.
 
It still puzzles me. When people run for office they have advisers telling them how to act, what kind of things to say, yet most of what Trump has said this campaign has been offensive to many groups.

What sort of people had been advising him?

His advisors aren't great, but as was pointed out, he doesn't listen to them. He started to more recently (they took his Twitter access away and, for the most part, have made him keep his mouth shut outside of rallies) but it's hard to say how much that's helping him.
 
As far as I know the largest city in the west is maybe Roanoke? It usually goes red.

Actually, we don't. We've voted Democratic in every Presidential election starting in 1976 with the exception of the Reagan reelection when he outperformed Mondale in the city by just a handful of points. Dukakis won here. Every Democratic nominee since Jimmy Carter with the sole exception of Walter Mondale. Most Democratic U.S. Senate candidates tend to win here as well.

But to be sure Roanoke is about the only blue bastion in this part of the state. Montgomery County (the home of Virginia Tech) often goes Democratic but it isn't always the case (Obama carried it in '08 but lost it to Mitt Romney four years later by about one hundred votes).
 
Actually, we don't. We've voted Democratic in every Presidential election starting in 1976 with the exception of the Reagan reelection when he outperformed Mondale in the city by just a handful of points. Dukakis won here. Every Democratic nominee since Jimmy Carter with the sole exception of Walter Mondale. Most Democratic U.S. Senate candidates tend to win here as well.

But to be sure Roanoke is about the only blue bastion in this part of the state. Montgomery County (the home of Virginia Tech) often goes Democratic but it isn't always the case (Obama carried it in '08 but lost it to Mitt Romney four years later by about one hundred votes).

Interesting. Thanks for the info.
 
If all the details in this story are correct about the behavior of people at the Trump rally, then this story is an elucidation of the choice we face tomorrow.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-obama-cerebral-palsy_us_581ffb8de4b0aac62485438c?

Yeah, the kid is 12. Yeah, he went there to protest (but that's his right, and Trump has mocked people with disabilities, so he deserves it). I don't know for sure if Trump's people kicked the wheelchair or not -- but I can certainly see it happening. After the New York Times video compilation in August of what happens at Trump rallies, I can see it clearly.

Then the kid goes to a Hillary rally and meets President Obama, someone who doesn't embrace discrimination. So at 12 years old, he can know very clearly and personally the difference between Trump and others.

Of course, it's PR. Of course, the staffers arranged it. But still....discriminated against and mocked...or treated like a person?
 
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