Who is going to win this election in November?

[locutus101]

What do you think she been doing up until now?

Let me guess. You like trump.

 

[JeffinOakland]

What do you think she been doing up until now?
You don't get it, the reason he where he is is that people are listening to what he has to say and they like what they're hearing, it makes sense to them (if not you).

It doesn't hurt Trump that he obviously likes talking to the America people, Clinton alway seem like she being forced out on stage in front of a crowd, her discomfort is clear.

Trump's unscripted and real, he doesn't sound like a puppet reciting the results of a focus group.

He likes hearing himself talk and he likes the attention. He hates people.

 

[locutus101]

He likes hearing himself talk and he likes the attention. He hates people.

Yes, trump is obviously in love with the sound of his voice. A vocal narcissist, so to speak.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

What do you think she been doing up until now?
You don't get it, the reason he where he is is that people are listening to what he has to say and they like what they're hearing, it makes sense to them (if not you).

It doesn't hurt Trump that he obviously likes talking to the America people, Clinton alway seem like she being forced out on stage in front of a crowd, her discomfort is clear.

Trump's unscripted and real, he doesn't sound like a puppet reciting the results of a focus group.

Whoa, we got a live one here!

 

[Tora Ziyal]

What do you think she been doing up until now?
You don't get it, the reason he where he is is that people are listening to what he has to say and they like what they're hearing, it makes sense to them (if not you).

It doesn't hurt Trump that he obviously likes talking to the America people, Clinton alway seem like she being forced out on stage in front of a crowd, her discomfort is clear.

Trump's unscripted and real, he doesn't sound like a puppet reciting the results of a focus group.

Oh, he's real all right.

But I do agree that Clinton sometimes seems uncomfortable. Campaigning isn't her thing. Public service is. She's basically a policy wonk. Look at her website, and she has detailed positions on a wide variety of topics. Look at the questionnaire both candidates responded to for the International Association of Chiefs of Police: http://www.theiacp.org/candidateresponse. Her responses are thorough and nuanced, while Trump's are law-and-order platitudes.

I would rather have a President who actually knows something about governing than one who's just a big talker.

 

[locutus101]

Whoa, we got a live one here!

Sounds like we need a deminer.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

Oh, he's real all right.

But I do agree that Clinton sometimes seems uncomfortable. Campaigning isn't her thing. Public service is. She's basically a policy wonk. Look at her website, and she has detailed positions on a wide variety of topics. Look at the questionnaire both candidates responded to for the International Association of Chiefs of Police: http://www.theiacp.org/candidateresponse. Her responses are thorough and nuanced, while Trump's are law-and-order platitudes.

I would rather have a President who actually knows something about governing than one who's just a big talker.

Right? I realize Hillary Clinton isn't the most exciting candidate, and her hawkish attitudes give me some serious reservations, but given who she's up against, this isn't a choice at all.

I laugh at the notion that Trump is in any way "real." He's a man who will say and do anything to win. He lies constantly, and even denies saying things we have him on video saying just days before. He has no shame and no history of public service nor caring about this country at all. Quite the opposite, in fact. His background makes him more of an anti-candidate. He's the Uwe Boll of Presidential candidates. Donald Trump wants to be President to help Donald Trump, and for no other reason. How do I know this? Literally his entire history of business and personal dealings indicates this. How can anyone be dim enough to think that this time, this time, Trump is being honest and, for once in his life, is going to help people other than himself? It boggles the mind.

Trump supporters would put a shameless, crooked egomaniac in the White House in the hopes that he'll bring to fruition an impossible fantasy.

 

[locutus101]

I'd feel safer if there was a chimp in the white house than if it was trump.

 

[Amaris]

No, I will not because it's true. She should be wiping the floor with this wacko but instead they are neck and neck. Mrs. "Experience" should have learned in 2008 that being a part of the system for 20 plus years is seen as a detriment, not a plus. That's why she lost to Obama and that's why she's not winning now.




http://www.npr.org/2016/08/25/491311747/tallying-hillary-clintons-appearances-with-the-news-media

You want Hillary to be covered more? Tell her to stop ducking the national media. Hold a press conference. Talk to more than people who are already in the tank for her. Trump gets more press because Trump talks to ALL OF THEM including CNN and NBC.

Again, this is ALL on hillary.

So she's damned if she does, damned if she doesn't.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

She should be wiping the floor with this wacko but instead they are neck and neck. Mrs. "Experience" should have learned in 2008 that being a part of the system for 20 plus years is seen as a detriment, not a plus. That's why she lost to Obama and that's why she's not winning now.

You want Hillary to be covered more? Tell her to stop ducking the national media. Hold a press conference. Talk to more than people who are already in the tank for her. Trump gets more press because Trump talks to ALL OF THEM including CNN and NBC.

Again, this is ALL on hillary.

Wait a minute. Let me bask in the total lack of self-awareness of a Republican blaming Hillary Clinton for having difficulty overcoming the very Mrs. Hyde persona your party has endlessly cultivated for her over the past 25 years. You guys have vilified her constantly, fruitlessly and oftentimes baselessly investigated her, accused her of everything under the sun up to and including murder, and now you're shocked, SHOCKED!, that a quarter century of sexist and ageist and anti-establishment shit-flinging has had a negative effect that's hard to wash away?

You wonder why she avoids a media that reports Trump saying, without evidence or example, that Hillary Clinton is a bigot and gives it equal weight in the news cycle as his near daily dive into the lowest common denominator?

You guys spend decades demonizing everything coming out of Washington and treating federal public service as anathema and wonder why people are clamoring for this Frankenstein's Monster of your own creation just because he's a political outsider?

The Clinton campaign absolutely has made a lot of mistakes this election cycle, but you guys need to own up to your own shit. Trump didn't rise up out of the ether. You guys have been pandering to and courting the racists, sexists, homophobes, xenophobes, warmongers, and more for decades and now that it's resulted in Sepia Stalin some of the more rational elements in your party (rare as they are) are getting buyer's remorse. Yet most of them are still too spineless and selfish to do the right thing and refuse to endorse Trump now that he's the GOP nominee even though most of those same people said he was completely unqualified to be president during the primaries and have had to constantly apologize and answer for this Trumpster Fire ever since.

 

[locutus101]

Wait a minute. Let me bask in the total lack of self-awareness of a Republican blaming Hillary Clinton for having difficulty overcoming the very Mrs. Hyde persona your party has endlessly cultivated for her over the past 25 years. You guys have vilified her constantly, fruitlessly and oftentimes baselessly investigated her, accused her of everything under the sun up to and including murder, and now you're shocked, SHOCKED!, that a quarter century of sexist and ageist and anti-establishment shit-flinging has had a negative effect that's hard to wash away?

You wonder why she avoids a media that reports Trump saying, without evidence or example, that Hillary Clinton is a bigot and gives it equal weight in the news cycle as his near daily dive into the lowest common denominator?

You guys spend decades demonizing everything coming out of Washington and treating federal public service as anathema and wonder why people are clamoring for this Frankenstein's Monster of your own creation just because he's a political outsider?

The Clinton campaign absolutely has made a lot of mistakes this election cycle, but you guys need to own up to your own shit. Trump didn't rise up out of the ether. You guys have been pandering to and courting the racists, sexists, homophobes, xenophobes, warmongers, and more for decades and now that it's resulted in Sepia Stalin some of the more rational elements in your party (rare as they are) are getting buyer's remorse. Yet most of them are still too spineless and selfish to do the right thing and refuse to endorse Trump now that he's the GOP nominee even though most of those same people said he was completely unqualified to be president during the primaries and have had to constantly apologize and answer for this Trumpster Fire ever since.

Let's hope that hillary will overcome all this.

 

[cooleddie74]

Trump needs a proofreader for his stupid campaign literature and speeches. Sadly, even this lady's formidable skills would fall well short of what would be required to transform a Trump-Pence campaign release or rally speech into anything remotely intelligible.

 

[locutus101]

Sometimes I wish we were mid november already so that this campaign would be over plus I would have my ST Beyond DvD!

 

[ichab]

Wait a minute. Let me bask in the total lack of self-awareness of a Republican blaming Hillary Clinton for having difficulty overcoming the very Mrs. Hyde persona your party has endlessly cultivated for her over the past 25 years. You guys have vilified her constantly, fruitlessly and oftentimes baselessly investigated her, accused her of everything under the sun up to and including murder, and now you're shocked, SHOCKED!, that a quarter century of sexist and ageist and anti-establishment shit-flinging has had a negative effect that's hard to wash away?

Not sure where the "you guys" come from seeing as Im an Independent, don't work in washington and will be voting Gary Johnson.

But as far as that part of your rant goes...criticism of Hillary is not sexist nor ageist. She has shared in the same criticism that her husband has gotten.

You wonder why she avoids a media that reports Trump saying, without evidence or example, that Hillary Clinton is a bigot and gives it equal weight in the news cycle as his near daily dive into the lowest common denominator?

The press is SUPPOSE to give equal time to both candidates. That is how a fair and balanced media is suppose to work. When Hillary avoids the media she is giving away ground to Trump.

You guys spend decades demonizing everything coming out of Washington and treating federal public service as anathema and wonder why people are clamoring for this Frankenstein's Monster of your own creation just because he's a political outsider?

Please pick up an american history book and read it before making such a naive statement. Campaigning as an outsider has been done for generations in this country. It's as old as the log cabin.

The Clinton campaign absolutely has made a lot of mistakes this election cycle, but you guys need to own up to your own shit.

More blaming and pointing fingers. A very consistent theme of the left.

Trump didn't rise up out of the ether. You guys have been pandering to and courting the racists, sexists, homophobes, xenophobes, warmongers, and more for decades and now that it's resulted in Sepia Stalin some of the more rational elements in your party (rare as they are) are getting buyer's remorse.

So much ignorance and stupidity in this statement that I'm not even going to bother. Stop drinking the kool-aid. It does bad things to common sense and reason.

Yet most of them are still too spineless and selfish to do the right thing and refuse to endorse Trump now that he's the GOP nominee even though most of those same people said he was completely unqualified to be president during the primaries and have had to constantly apologize and answer for this Trumpster Fire ever since.

Not sure what this has to do with what Im talking about but if you're wondering why republicans are supporting Trump it's because they don't like the alternative.

On the flipside there are MANY people in this country that dont like Hillary including members of the democratic party. She barely made it out of a tough primary against a wacky self described socialist and she needed help from the DNC to accomplish that. Just face it, she's a horrible candidate.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

Not sure where the "you guys" come from seeing as Im an Independent, don't work in washington and will be voting Gary Johnson.

It's funny how conservatives like you are so quick to run away and claim to be "independent" now that your party has been taken over by a walking embarrassment like Trump.

But as far as that part of your rant goes...criticism of Hillary is not sexist nor ageist. She has shared in the same criticism that her husband has gotten.

When she is criticized more harshly than men for similar actions, one is left to draw certain conclusions as to why.

The press is SUPPOSE to give equal time to both candidates. That is how a fair and balanced media is suppose to work. When Hillary avoids the media she is giving away ground to Trump.

That's quite a novel narrative you've come up with there.

Please pick up an american history book and read it before making such a naive statement. Campaigning as an outsider has been done for generations in this country. It's as old as the log cabin.

So is appealing to racial resentment in order to get votes. Sad!

More blaming and pointing fingers. A very consistent theme of the left.

And what are Republicans doing about the candidate who has hijacked their party?

So much ignorance and stupidity in this statement that I'm not even going to bother. Stop drinking the kool-aid. It does bad things to common sense and reason.

Nah, he's 100% right. The GOP's electoral successes over the last 40 or so years have directly been the result of appealing to the sensibilities of racist white voters. That's what the Southern Strategy is. And it worked. Couple that with years and years of Republicans bleating about how government doesn't work, how Obama/Democrats are destroying America, while they do virtually nothing about these supposed problems, and it's no surprise at all that voters just gave up on the GOP establishment and went with an outsider.

By the way, the Kool-Aid metaphor is both offensive and incorrect in multiple ways. The drink used in the Jonestown massacre was Flavor Aid. In addition, while widely thought to be a mass suicide, the massacre was, in fact, more of a mass murder--many of the victims were children who couldn't willingly consent, and others were similarly forced.

Not sure what this has to do with what Im talking about but if you're wondering why republicans are supporting Trump it's because they don't like the alternative.

You mean that Republicans shouted for years that the sky is falling while doing nothing about it, to the point where voters fully believed it and decided they needed a fascist like Trump to actually get something done about it?

On the flipside there are MANY people in this country that dont like Hillary including members of the democratic party. She barely made it out of a tough primary against a wacky self described socialist and she needed help from the DNC to accomplish that. Just face it, she's a horrible candidate.

I don't think you've made a case here that she's a horrible candidate. Much of why she's disliked is because of 20+ years of Republican smears against her. That she has any chance at all is a testament to her dedication and fortitude--how many others can say they've survived decades of concerted Republican attacks while retaining any political viability? "Lots of people don't like her" raises the question of why, and the answer to that question has little to do with her own merits and everything to do with endless GOP smears. A shameful disappointment of a party that, frankly, deserves to go down in flames with Trump at the helm.

Have fun pissing your vote away on Johnson.

 

[locutus101]

It's funny how conservatives like you are so quick to run away and claim to be "independent" now that your party has been taken over by a walking embarrassment like Trump.....

Yeah, unfortunately, he's also a talking embarrassment.

 

[ichab]

By the way, the Kool-Aid metaphor is both offensive and incorrect in multiple ways

It's 100 percent accurate. You can't handle any constructive criticism from anyone that isn't democrat and play the race and gender card anytime someone does. If you're going sling mud and act like a child, don't get your little feelings hurt when someone calls you on it.

Have fun pissing your vote away on Johnson.

I'll have a lot of fun exercising my right to vote for who I want. You enjoy being a good little sheep for the democratic party

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Not sure where the "you guys" come from seeing as Im an Independent, don't work in washington and will be voting Gary Johnson.

Hasn't stopped you from carrying water for Republican candidates and policies in discussions here for years. If it looks like an elephant, walks like an elephant, and trumpets like an elephant, it's probably an elephant. Maybe if more people like you didn't make excuses for the GOP so often, the party wouldn't have given rise to an avatar for all their worst tendencies like Trump in the first place.

I will give you credit for at least voting for Cheech "What's Aleppo?" Johnson over Trump, though. At least he won't start a war because Iran tweeted that he has small hands. He'll just grab some Cheetos and turn on Spongebob reruns.

But as far as that part of your rant goes...criticism of Hillary is not sexist nor ageist. She has shared in the same criticism that her husband has gotten.

Of course not all criticism of Hillary is sexist or ageist, but A LOT of it is. Like when she gets criticized for simultaneously being too shrill and too meek sounding in speeches, when she gets criticized for not smiling enough or supposedly not enjoying herself onstage (Tenacity just did that on the previous page), when she is criticized for Bill's misdeeds and remaining married to him, or when a goofy look she gives in reaction to thousands of balloons falling on her head at the DNC or the double-take she did when two reporters shouted questions from behind her makes people say she has a neurological disorder.

The press is SUPPOSE to give equal time to both candidates. That is how a fair and balanced media is suppose to work. When Hillary avoids the media she is giving away ground to Trump.

The press is ideally supposed to give the candidates themselves equal coverage time, though that's long since gone. That doesn't mean every piece of information about the candidates deserves equal weight. Trump baselessly accusing Hillary Clinton of being a bigot got treated as if it were a genuine piece of news for days rather than something he just pulled out of his ass. You could cite 5000 video, audio, photo, or text-based examples of Donald Trump or his sons or his surrogates or his supporters being bigots, but all it takes is him just saying it to get the media to roll over for him and do his dirty work.

Please pick up an american history book and read it before making such a naive statement. Campaigning as an outsider has been done for generations in this country. It's as old as the log cabin.

There's nothing naive about it. The existence of historical campaigning as an outsider does nothing to counter the fact that the GOP of the past several decades has done everything in their power to hypocritically sow distrust and discord with politicians, Washington, the federal government, social programs, etc. They make it a mark of pride and joy the amount of gridlock they've created or when they state that their number one priority is not to serve the people but to defeat their opposition, and then they wonder why someone like Ted Cruz gets elected to office or Donald Trump is their standard bearer now.

More blaming and pointing fingers. A very consistent theme of the left.

So much ignorance and stupidity in this statement that I'm not even going to bother. Stop drinking the kool-aid. It does bad things to common sense and reason.

If you can't even acknowledge that the GOP has significant problems with racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia (remember that bullshit non-issue of transgendered people preying on children in bathrooms that the GOP decided to make into a big problem this election cycle?), xenophobia, and warmongering then there's no point even discussing things with you.

Not sure what this has to do with what Im talking about but if you're wondering why republicans are supporting Trump it's because they don't like the alternative.

So why'd they support him during the primaries when they had a wide range of Republican candidates to choose from?

On the flipside there are MANY people in this country that dont like Hillary including members of the democratic party. She barely made it out of a tough primary against a wacky self described socialist and she needed help from the DNC to accomplish that. Just face it, she's a horrible candidate.

She didn't "barely" make it out of anything (and she was much closer to Obama in 2008 than Sanders ever was to her), and didn't need the DNC's help to defeat Bernie. She won by a considerable margin in both delegate count and votes.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/was-the-democratic-primary-a-close-call-or-a-landslide/
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/06/07/us/elections/clinton-sanders-delegate-fight.html

I don't think she's a horrible candidate, so I don't have to face anything. I've got disagreements with some of her policies just as I do with Obama and any other politician, but at least I don't have to be embarrassed and pretend I'm not a Democrat because my party nominated a fascist.

 

[Kai "the spy"]

This was very over-shadowed by Trump's Birther non-news.

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[auntiehill]

Donald Trump's reason for not showing his tax returns becomes clear:
Sep 21 2016, 11:03 am ET NBC NEWS
Trump Used Money From Charitable Foundation to Settle Legal Disputes

Donald Trump used money from his charitable foundation to settle legal disputes concerning his business enterprises, court and tax filings show — a practice that charity experts say raises red flags and may violate IRS laws.

But the Trump campaign is defending the practice, with campaign manager Kellyanne Conway noting that it hadn't yet drawn IRS scrutiny.

A review of legal documents and interviews by NBC News found that $258,000 in Donald J. Trump Foundation donations was used to settle two separate suits against Trump's private companies, which was first reported by the Washington Post.