Who is Alive??

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In Voyager Ep "Year of Hell" pts 1 and 2 when Voyager reverets back to it's Pre-Krenem condishion, whould the several crewmembers who were killed during the show be brought back to life? And does the ending mean that every temporial incursion that the time ship ever started would be reversed also...it does raise some questions...

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

In Voyager Ep "Year of Hell" pts 1 and 2 when Voyager reverets back to it's Pre-Krenem condishion, whould the several crewmembers who were killed during the show be brought back to life?

Only those who died after the ship entered Krenim space. The reset only went back to that point. Anyone who died before that time, is still dead.

And does the ending mean that every temporial incursion that the time ship ever started would be reversed also...

Yes. In the 'new' reality, the time ship will never even be built. It performed an incursion on ITSELF.

 

[BlobVanDam]

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[BlobVanDam]

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[BlobVanDam]

When it comes to making sense of time travel episodes, I think it's best to heed Janeway's advice - "don't even try".

It would only affect the Voyager crew up until the beginning of their encounter with the Krenim, which seems to include all of the way back to Before and After, since Kes is no longer onboard for the year of hell, and they have no recollection of the events of that episode.

As for undoing the events of every time incursion they ever made, it seems like this is the case. Obviously destroying the Krenim time ship reset everything in the time line as far as Voyager is concerned, so I assume this is the case with all of the others. I don't remember why though. Can someone explain to me why destroying the timeship in the present affects it in the past?

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ Like I said, in the new timeline the ship will never be built.

As we saw many times in these episodes, when the time ship performed an incursion on a target, that target is erased from all history - it never existed. The ship's final act was to do an incursion on itself...therefore, in the new timeline, the time ship will never be built, and thus any incursion it ever made (apart from that last one) will never have happened.

 

[BlobVanDam]

Oh ok I get it. I do recall the dialogue at the end from Annorax where he pointed that out. Year of Hell to me really is an amazing double episode. I'd say definitely Voyager's best.

 

[F. King Daniel]

If only they didn't undo it all at the end! bringing Janeway back from the brink, rebuilding Voyager and rounding up the scattered crew could have made for great episodes. Instead we were right back to "planet of the week" stories in a universe where none of that cool stuff even happened.

And about the timeship - I thought it was pretty clear from the ending, where Annorax is seen working on his temporal calculations (presumably 300 years in the past), that there's a chance the whole thing could start over...

 

[Shatnertage]

I thought that he was on the verge of a breakthrough that would have made the timeship possible. Because he decided to spend the morning with his wife, he never made that breakthrough, and therefore never builds the timeship.

That's my interpretation of the end of YOH2, at least.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ Mine as well. In the original timeline, Annorax didn't make the time to spend with his wife. He focused all his time on the calculations to build the time ship. In the new timeline (as the final scene showed), he DID go and spend the day with his wife, and forgot about the calculations.

If only they didn't undo it all at the end! bringing Janeway back from the brink, rebuilding Voyager and rounding up the scattered crew could have made for great episodes. Instead we were right back to "planet of the week" stories in a universe where none of that cool stuff even happened.

That was due to network interference. The writers wanted to make "Year of Hell" into an entire season of the show. The network wouldn't let them.

 

[Shatnertage]

I've got to think that if they did a whole season that ended in a big "reset button," the outcry on the Internets would be reverberating to this day.

 

[froot]

Obviously YoH probably would have been rewritten so it wasn't AS devastating had they made it a season-long arc or so.

ie, they wouldn't have killed off as many crew members (I think several died at the very end when Annorax blasted their ships during that final attack), Voyager would have been slightly less damaged, and so on.

Then there wouldn't have been a need for a reset button.

 

[Shatnertage]

Speaking of reset buttons, how about this one (for those who grouse about Endgame).

At the close of the series finale, The Doctor suddenly says "Computer, end program." The bridge does that disappearing holodeck thingie, and everyone disappears but him.

He walks out of the holodeck and over to a cubicle somewhere on Jupiter Station.

"What have you been up to?"asks his neighbor, Lt. Barclay.

"Oh, just putting my EMH program through its paces," says Dr. Zimmerman. "Just got finished running a simulation of how he'd fare on a multi-year mission. Not bad, I've got to say. I think I'll get approval to install them before the first Intrepid class vessel launches next month."

 

[Jack Bauer]

I've got to think that if they did a whole season that ended in a big "reset button," the outcry on the Internets would be reverberating to this day.

The season long Year of Hell arc didn't have a reset ending.