Who had the crappest life?
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Of course that happens to lots of other people in stories where time travel alters history.
Or for that matter, Sim from Enterprise. Brief life, had to die for others to live. Pretty much sucks all around.
I have two nominations for the "First Interstellar Whose crappy life is it anyway? Showdown!"
The first character that popped into my mind was Kes. Mostly because of her short life span and what she was able to do in that time. When we first meet Kes, she's two years old and reuinited with her squeeze Neelix.
That means in two years, she lived her entire child/teenage/young adulthood life underground on her home planet that was decimated by an alien a (relatively) long time ago. Then, she was imprisoned by the Kazon after escaping her underground home to the barren surface and, judging by her black eye when we first meet her, was not treated kindly.
She spends about 3 years on Voyager, so that would mean she is about 5 years old, and about halfway through her life. She then changes/evolves/gets pushed out for Seven of Nine, and she turns into energy or something for a few more years, until she comes back at the ripe old age of Seven (lol) and tries to murder the Voyager crew for all the pain they caused her.
She parts with the crew on good terms, but still that seems like a lot of bad ju-ju for a small lifetime.
My second nomination goes to the poor bastard Chief Miles Edward O'Brien. But not Chief O'Brien prime. No, no, no. This nomination goes to the Chief O'Brien from the DS9 episode "Whispers" The guy is brought into existence for like a day, and in that day, spends it suffering from misplaced paranoia, running from his close friends and coworkers who he believes are out to get him, and then eventually coming to the self-realization as he is dying that he is not the real Chief O'Brien.
While there are many characters in Trek who had crappy existences, we all know there can be only one......
The first character that popped into my mind was Kes. Mostly because of her short life span and what she was able to do in that time. When we first meet Kes, she's two years old and reuinited with her squeeze Neelix.
That means in two years, she lived her entire child/teenage/young adulthood life underground on her home planet that was decimated by an alien a (relatively) long time ago. Then, she was imprisoned by the Kazon after escaping her underground home to the barren surface and, judging by her black eye when we first meet her, was not treated kindly.
She spends about 3 years on Voyager, so that would mean she is about 5 years old, and about halfway through her life. She then changes/evolves/gets pushed out for Seven of Nine, and she turns into energy or something for a few more years, until she comes back at the ripe old age of Seven (lol) and tries to murder the Voyager crew for all the pain they caused her.
She parts with the crew on good terms, but still that seems like a lot of bad ju-ju for a small lifetime.My second nomination goes to the poor bastard Chief Miles Edward O'Brien. But not Chief O'Brien prime. No, no, no. This nomination goes to the Chief O'Brien from the DS9 episode "Whispers" The guy is brought into existence for like a day, and in that day, spends it suffering from misplaced paranoia, running from his close friends and coworkers who he believes are out to get him, and then eventually coming to the self-realization as he is dying that he is not the real Chief O'Brien.
While there are many characters in Trek who had crappy existences, we all know there can be only one......
Like the other relationships that might of been formed by the other 150 or so members of the Voyager crew.
Good thread. I guess it depends on if you think good/bad endings are more important than suffering in the middle.
I think the endings matter more, so I will go:
1) Tasha
2) Spock
3) Seven
4) Neelix
5) Ro
6) Kira
7) Kes
8) O'Brien
9) Picard
10) Worf (anyone else lose two mates during the show, and both parents, and have them attainted with Treason?)
I think the endings matter more, so I will go:
1) Tasha
2) Spock
3) Seven
4) Neelix
5) Ro
6) Kira
7) Kes
8) O'Brien
9) Picard
10) Worf (anyone else lose two mates during the show, and both parents, and have them attainted with Treason?)
Kirk and having his son killed by the Klingons.
I always supposed that Kirk met his first girlfriend on Tarsus Four and she was one of the victims.
Lines in early drafts of the script had Kirk say that he was a midshipman assigned to Tarsus Four when the famine and the killings happened. Those lines may have been cut out of the final draft because someone calculated that Kirk would have been about 13.
Then in Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan the novelization and the script described midshipman Peter Preston as being 14 years old. So it may be possible that Kirk could have been an Academy Cadet age 13 and been part of some sort of scientific survey on Tarsus IV when the famine struck. Kirk may have saved a number of lives, he might, for example, have secretly constructed a subspace radio after Kodos confiscated them and informed Starfleet of the emergency and thus hastened up the relief ships and saved tens or hundreds of lives.
But Kirk may have believed that as the only member of the Starfleet unit on Tarsus IV who Kodos didn't lock up it was his responsibility to save everyone of the colonists and he was a miserable failure for not stopping the massacre of 4,000 of the colonists. He may have felt like a fraud when everyone called him a hero.
Then, about a year after Kirk graduated from Starfleet Academy, a new law was passed making the minimum age to enter seventeen and the minimum age to be commissioned twenty. And Kirk's commission was reluctantly revoked in accordance with the law, despite his hero status, and he was sent back to Starfleet Academy as a plebe aged seventeen, and encountered an upperclassman named Finnegan who delighted in pulling practical jokes on him. [The minimum age would be lowered again in time for Peter Preston to face the wrath of Khan].
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Your mum.
I can't see who this is directed at that it wouldn't be considered flaming. Knock this shit off.
It's the answer to "who had the crappest life?", it's an obvious joke surely?
Somewhat off topic, not being main characters:
What about the augmented children at the time of the Eugenics Wars?
Note that to the precise Spock "alive" equals "unaccounted for" and presumably "accounted for" equals "dead". This certainly gives the impression that any superman or superwomen caught was instantly killed.
And what about any superboys and supergirls who might have been alive during the Eugenics wars and survived the mass bombings that wiped out whole populations? Were they killed on sight or thrown into solitary confinement for life?
Khan and 84 other persons were in suspended animation on the Botany Bay.
This gives the impression that there were 42 men occupying the rest of the 72 functioning units, but it is certainly possible that they included some children.
I fail to see the waste in putting Khan's people in a reorientation center. After being "reoriented" they could use their talents to be very useful and to gain wealth and prestige. It seems to me that the waste would be to send them to a primitive world to struggle to survive without making any contributions to wider society, something that countless billions of persons have done before.
And Kirk only asks 2 out of 74 prisoners which fate they desire Where's the democracy in that? does Federation law recognize the other 72 augments as Khan's slaves?
And the first prisoners at Australia's Botany Bay colony didn't go on to tame a continent all by themselves. They were later joined by many thousands of prisoners and free persons who went on to tame Australia. I'm not sure if 74 persons would be enough to found a viable colony on a strange new planet without any aide from outside for decades or centuries.
In WOK 15 year's later Khan's few surviving people look like they are in their twenties. Maybe Khan's supermen and women aged much slower than normal people. Maybe they are the under-fifteen-years-old children of Khan's adult followers, kids who look older because being supermen they grow faster than normal humans. Or maybe they are aged between 20 and 30 like they look and were aged 5 to 15 on the Botany Bay. In any case, Khan's people have had a hellish time on Ceti Alpha V, and in the latter two cases they were kids for part or all of that suffering.
Then the adult or teenage augments escape from their hell planet and are free and their crazy leaders gets them vaporized!
Of course it is possible that the hundreds? of cadets and trainees aboard the Enterprise might have included some as young as the uncertain age of Khan's followers.
Midshipman Peter Preston looked very small and young when I first saw him. Then I recognized Ike Eisenmann and decided he was old enough for Starfleet, if possibly too short. And then Vonda N. McIntyre's novelization and the script both say that Preston was fourteen years old. So I am uncertain whether the Enterprise rivals Khan's group for the title of having the youngest person killed in the movie.
And then there is this:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_of7mShM5N1g/SpfniPl9F-I/AAAAAAAAAKg/hF-ZvMOg02Q/s1600-h/khans_son.jpg
https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/another-pic-surfaces-of-khans-baby-from-twok.102909/
But of course none of them are main characters in Star Trek or WOK.
On the subject of Khan's youngest followers, here are some better photographs:
https://scifi.stackexchange.com/que...-character-officially-khan-noonien-singhs-son
The thread question. I laughed.
I thought we finally reached a point where "Your mom" jokes were so over-the-top and well-known that no one would give them or take them seriously. I mean, it's not 1992 or whatever.
Does anyone seriously think that ArcherNX01 was insulting someone's actual mother, rather than using the most universal and contrived joke imaginable?
It's just mind-boggling that someone was actually offended by a Your Mom joke in 2018. I seriously cannot believe that actually happened.
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