Who gets to live on the beach?

[Cyke101]

All the insides of every Earth continent have been converted into layers and layers of beaches.

If everybody gets prime real estate, then nobody gets prime real estate.

 

[Ithekro]

Considering how many super huge building there are in future Earth, I half expect people live in what equates to colony sized towers. Self contained towers that provide all of their needs. After several centuries following the Third World War and First Contact, maybe humans just are use to these things and less and less have any desire to live in houses. I know some people who are not comfortable living in a house and prefer appartments.

 

[HIjol]

All the insides of every Earth continent have been converted into layers and layers of beaches.

If everybody gets prime real estate, then nobody gets prime real estate.

The Sneetches! No Star-Bellies, no Plain-Bellies

Considering how many super huge building there are in future Earth, I half expect people live in what equates to colony sized towers. Self contained towers that provide all of their needs. After several centuries following the Third World War and First Contact, maybe humans just are use to these things and less and less have any desire to live in houses. I know some people who are not comfortable living in a house and prefer appartments.

Or, maybe floating cities like on Ringworld!

Oh, god, if only we could make real what magnificance there is in our minds.

 

[Timewalker]

"...Mmmffff...ack...<cough>...wha?...what's my name?"...um...?Jim Rockford...)

(Cue "Rockford" theme music)

It's been several decades since I last saw that show, but the music popped into my mind immediately.

My grandmother had a crush on James Garner.

I'd say if utopia means people can live wherever they want to, than not everyone wants to live near the beach. Heaps of them want to live in the mountains. Some want to live in urban centres. Others near ski slopes, etc etc or close to the laundromats. It would all work itself out.

Lots of people hate the coast... it's too cold/hot, maybe they fear tsunami, maybe they hate the smell of the ocean. Hey I grew up near the ocean and lemme tell ya - it aint all sea spray and fuckin' moon mist. There are rotten crabs and festering jellyfish and sea shit that comes rolling up. A feast for the nostrils but not all of it palatable.

I live in the province of Alberta, in Canada. This area is close to where the prairie becomes the foothills of the Rocky Mountains, and it's many hundreds of miles from the nearest ocean. The first time I went to the West Coast (we spent a few days on Vancouver Island and later a day in Vancouver itself), my first reaction to seeing the ocean was "Wow, it smells awful!" And seeing those little jellyfish in the water just freaked me. There was No. Way. In. Hell. I was going to roll up my pant legs and wade in that. The biggest things I'm used to seeing in the water are the fish found in Okanagan Lake, in interior British Columbia. They're not freakishly weird, and if you want to eat them, they're not poisonous. So any beaches I've ever been completely at ease on have been beside freshwater lakes. I did walk along the beaches on Vancouver Island and in Stanley Park, but it's just not the same when you don't dare go into the water, and have to keep in mind that the tide comes in.

If I were a 24th-century person who could live anywhere, I'd choose the Canadian Rockies. Assuming no problems with supply and transportation due to blizzards, heavy snowfall, and adequate avalanche and forest firefighting crews, I'd be very comfortable.

For that matter, I'd live there right now if I could afford to. Prairie skies are interesting, but I've never felt so completely relaxed here as I have been in the mountains.


As far as who gets to on Star Trek? Same as those who get to now. Those with power, money, influence, and the workers who maintain it for them.

There's a current news story in Canada about a mega-mansion in Vancouver that sold for over $51 MILLION: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...rss&cid=news-digests-canada-and-world-evening. The buyer is a wealthy man from China, and this is but one more instance of wealthy Asian buyers buying up the best parts of British Columbia, making them unaffordable for average Canadians.

Picard's speech about no money and no desire for wealth is baloney. He's in his own little world and has no clue how his own planet works. Even Beverly had to pay for that cloth she bought on Farpoint. Picard, otoh, had to be reminded by Ro that if he was going to pretend to hire a prostitute, he had to at least pretend to pay her.

Considering how many super huge building there are in future Earth, I half expect people live in what equates to colony sized towers. Self contained towers that provide all of their needs. After several centuries following the Third World War and First Contact, maybe humans just are use to these things and less and less have any desire to live in houses. I know some people who are not comfortable living in a house and prefer appartments.

It took me a long time to get used to living in an apartment after over 40 years of living in houses. It's nice that I don't have to shovel snow and I don't have to go outside to get the mail, but one of the downsides is that I am not allowed to even put up a bookshelf without permission, and repainting the walls is out of the question. Even my cats are still not used to the idea that they're not allowed to be outside of the suite - they were adults when we moved from the house to an apartment and they don't understand why they can't go outside and explore.

 

[T'Girl]

Picard's speech about no money and no desire for wealth is baloney. He's in his own little world and has no clue how his own planet works.

If Picard had to of paid for the construction of the Enterprise Dee, and then hired the the hundreds of people necessary to operate it, just so he could be it's Captain his world view would have changes abruptly.

How nice for him that Starfleet picked up the tab.

The beach house thing is similar to my old question of who get to live in the penthouse of those towers we see in San Fransisco? And who live in the lower apartment with the window facing the wall across the alley? No, not everyone wants to live in a city, but those who do likely would likely prefer the penthouse over the small apartment.

If you're not too picky, tens of millions could have ocean front property on Earth, but that wouldn't hold true for the penthouse view. So who?

Answer, the rich.

 

[hux]

So who?

Answer, the rich.

Gotta be. Don't see any other explanation

Though there's as many people voting "best not to think about it " as there are people voting for the rich. I guess a lot fans don't want to criticise the Federation utopia they've been asked to accept. I get that (but I think they know we probably have a point)

 

[T'Girl]

How much of a utopia could it be if everyone's broke?

 

[ALF]

How much of a utopia could it be if everyone's broke?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garden_of_Eden
But then 'everyone' becomes a bunch of animals.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

But then 'everyone' becomes a bunch of animals.

They suddenly become Oakland Raiders fans?

 

[Ithekro]

But then the question becomes, who is the rich on Earth in the 24th century? And what defines them as such?

 

[hux]

But then the question becomes, who is the rich on Earth in the 24th century? And what defines them as such?

In Starship Troopers, you can't become a citizen unless you serve. I suspect it's the same in the Federation and those who do certain jobs get certain privileges (including credits) I reckon by simply joining Starfleet academy, you instantly get 10 thousand credits....and first choice on housing

 

[Ithekro]

Doubtful. Starfleet to far too strict in its application process verse the number of people on not only Earth, but across the Federation.

Also we see so many lifers that that doesn't seem to work.

 

[Amaris]

The beaches are all protected parklands, after Barbra Streisand's house on a cliff collapsed into the sea.

But that was the year she was going to start her farewell tour!

 

[T'Girl]

... simply joining Starfleet academy, you instantly get 10 thousand credits....and first choice on housing

Signing bonus.

 

[Cyke101]

Doubtful. Starfleet to far too strict in its application process verse the number of people on not only Earth, but across the Federation.

Also we see so many lifers that that doesn't seem to work.

It's funny to me that a wunderkind like Wesley had so much trouble getting into Starfleet, but then we have folks like Sonia Gomez. They seem nice and should be roughly competent, but never saved the ship as many times as Wesley (nor is he such a klutz).

 

[T'Girl]

How much of the Los Angeles area is suppose to be under water? Are their new beaches on the new California coast? Or did the desire to live on the beach die with Long Beach?

Bakersfield is the new French Riviera.

 

[hux]

Doubtful. Starfleet to far too strict in its application process verse the number of people on not only Earth, but across the Federation.

Also we see so many lifers that that doesn't seem to work.

But that just gives greater incentive to join up. Not only a great career but also material rewards. If you're good enough to join (which is hard to tell cos one episode suggests you need to be an Einstein and the next one suggests, you just need to turn up and look pretty) you get extra rewards and continue to get them throughout your career

I reckon Picard probably has a billion credits somewhere that he isn't even aware of because it just doesn't interest him (probably paid for his brothers vineyard without even knowing) which would explain why his brother has all that land?

Somebody, somewhere is reaping the rewards of this society