Who are the VULCANs really?

[Captain Tracy]

A while back on another thread PLYNCH and I were discussing the origin of the name KIRK - being from the Scots/Irish Gaelic word for CHURCH, a bastardized pronounciation of the Greek word Cerces, nuff said,...

and although I am sure their are very few people who do not already know the old tale of how NIMOY "peeked" while in service during the blessing, and then later imitated the 'SHIN' hand sign for the Vulcan salute, and that Vulcan was the God of Fire inhabiting Mount Syn (Mount Sinai),.. ect. but, has anyone read the book by Rabbi Yonassan Gershom, entitled:

'JEWISH THEMES IN STAR TREK - Where no Rabbi has gone before'

Here is a link to the Rabbi's site for more info:

http://www.pinenet.com/~rooster/trekjews.html

Anyone read this book?

 

[Christopher]

...and that Vulcan was the God of Fire inhabiting Mount Syn (Mount Sinai),..

What?? I think you're getting your mythical traditions mixed up. Vulcan was the god of fire in Roman mythology, the counterpart of the Greek Hephaistos. His home, or at least his smithy, was believed to be Mt. Etna, which makes sense since it's an active volcano (a word derived from the name "Vulcan"). Mt. Sinai is not volcanic in origin, so there's no reason why the ancients would've associated it with a god of fire.

And of course Leonard Nimoy didn't create or name the Vulcans, Gene Roddenberry did (or possibly Stephen Kandel did, since Spock's isn't given a species name until "Mudd's Women" and then it's "Vulcanian," with "Vulcan" first used as the name of his planet in "The Man Trap" and as a species designation in "The Naked Time"). No doubt the name was drawn from the hypothetical planet Vulcan, a world suspected of orbiting between the Sun and Mercury from 1859 to 1915 (when Einstein showed that the anomalies in Mercury's orbit could be explained by relativistic effects rather than another planet's gravity). A number of works of science fiction would go on to use "Vulcan" as an alien planet name as a result of this.

 

[Tiberius]

I'd say it was Roddenberry, since I'm pretty sure that I read the term Vulcan or Vulcanian in the bible.

 

[Captain Tracy]

CHRISTOPHER - uh,.. hello,... I wrote HEARD THE TALE, I did not say this was MY VERSION of any mythology,..

Reading (especially for a 'writer') is FUN-DUH-MENTAL.

In your haste to jump up my bum,.. you also completely missed the POINT,... if you will direct your gaze to the posted (Twice, no less!) interrogative,...

HAVE YOU READ THE BOOK?

 

[Captain Tracy]

LOL! Nice work there 'Casey Jones' ppffftt!

 

[xortex]

You're a Roman Kirk, or you should have been Xerxes. Vulcanized rubber pomotes American businesses and corperations. You're right it is all very Jewishy.

 

[RoJoHen]

CHRISTOPHER - uh,.. hello,... I wrote HEARD THE TALE, I did not say this was MY VERSION of any mythology,..

Reading (especially for a 'writer') is FUN-DUH-MENTAL.

In your haste to jump up my bum,.. you also completely missed the POINT,... if you will direct your gaze to the posted (Twice, no less!) interrogative,...

HAVE YOU READ THE BOOK?

Your point is hidden within a nonsensical post. You didn't even reference the book until the very end of the post. How is anybody supposed to discern what you were talking about?

 

[Christopher]

I'd say it was Roddenberry, since I'm pretty sure that I read the term Vulcan or Vulcanian in the bible.

The version of the series bible that's generally available is the third revision published in April 1967, at the start of the second season. So unless you've got the first edition, that isn't definitive. In the original 1964 series proposal, Spock was described as "probably half Martian."

Then again, "Mudd's Women" was written in 1965 as a candidate for the second pilot, and its story was by Roddenberry, so who knows? Still, the creation of TOS was a far more collaborative process than people today tend to assume, or than Roddenberry cared to admit.

 

[Captain Tracy]

Your point is hidden within a nonsensical post. You didn't even reference the book until the very end of the post. How is anybody supposed to discern what you were talking about?

One might try to exercise a thing called, 'Comprehension'.

Failing that,.. would could just follow the twice stated question:

'Have You Read The Book?',

In all fairness, I can really see how,...based on one's 'level of perception',.. this could be viewed as 'hidden',... as the same question only appears twice, existing above both the stated title of the book - in bold type, and well as under the link provided, in hypertext color.

Yep,... hidden,.. for some.

 

[RoJoHen]

Well, you're clearly not someone to take seriously in the area of "reading comprehension." You can't even punctuate properly.

 

[T'Bonz]

Let's not get nasty, guys.

 

[Kelso]

1. I have not read this book.

2. RoJoHen is right.

 

[Nerys Myk]

CHRISTOPHER - uh,.. hello,... I wrote HEARD THE TALE, I did not say this was MY VERSION of any mythology,..

Reading (especially for a 'writer') is FUN-DUH-MENTAL.

In your haste to jump up my bum,.. you also completely missed the POINT,... if you will direct your gaze to the posted (Twice, no less!) interrogative,...

HAVE YOU READ THE BOOK?

Writing clearly is also fundemental. You present the "Vulcan lives on Mt Sinai" idea as part of a sentence that begins "I am sure their are very few people who do not already know...". Which implies that it is a part of mythology that is well known. Well its not and would seem to be in error. Thats what Christopher was pointing out. Remember "Thread drift happens". He's not required to address the "point" of the thread or answer the question in his post. Once things start rolling, you're a passenger like everyone else, not the engineer or conductor.

And no, I haven't read the book nor have I heard of it.

 

[Captain Tracy]

FINALLY!!!

A voice in the dark which actually gives answer to the question!!!

I have not read the book either; however, I am considering it. I am interested to learn the opinion of those who have read the book, as well as, learn how many people have never read, nor heard, of the book.

Thanks for your answer

 

[sonak]

edited because question answered in quick fitting knitcaps thursday

 

[xortex]

CHRISTOPHER - uh,.. hello,... I wrote HEARD THE TALE, I did not say this was MY VERSION of any mythology,..

Reading (especially for a 'writer') is FUN-DUH-MENTAL.

In your haste to jump up my bum,.. you also completely missed the POINT,... if you will direct your gaze to the posted (Twice, no less!) interrogative,...

HAVE YOU READ THE BOOK?

Writing clearly is also fundemental. You present the "Vulcan lives on Mt Sinai" idea as part of a sentence that begins "I am sure their are very few people who do not already know...". Which implies that it is a part of mythology that is well known. Well its not and would seem to be in error. Thats what Christopher was pointing out. Remember "Thread drift happens". He's not required to address the "point" of the thread or answer the question in his post. Once things start rolling, you're a passenger like everyone else, not the engineer or conductor.

And no, I haven't read the book nor have I heard of it.

You can always count on Christopher to not be the drunk one.

 

[horatio83]

A while back on another thread PLYNCH and I were discussing the origin of the name KIRK - being from the Scots/Irish Gaelic word for CHURCH, a bastardized pronounciation of the Greek word Cerces, nuff said,...

and although I am sure their are very few people who do not already know the old tale of how NIMOY "peeked" while in service during the blessing, and then later imitated the 'SHIN' hand sign for the Vulcan salute, and that Vulcan was the God of Fire inhabiting Mount Syn (Mount Sinai),.. ect. but, has anyone read the book by Rabbi Yonassan Gershom, entitled:

'JEWISH THEMES IN STAR TREK - Where no Rabbi has gone before'

Here is a link to the Rabbi's site for more info:

http://www.pinenet.com/~rooster/trekjews.html

Anyone read this book?

No, I haven't read the book and I won't. You don't need a Rabbi to notice the Rabbi-esque qualities of Nimoy's and Lenard's character.

 

[Captain Tracy]

Probably not,... though to be fair to the author, from what the title indicates it explores all of Trek.