While watching Pixar's Ratatouille, I noticed something...

[Nerys Myk]

A "lady" is a female secure in her own femininity without thinking it's a liability or substandard to men. This whole equality jazz is a joke for the simple reason that we are different. Men have strengths and weaknesses women dont have and vice versa. Instead of celebrating these differences, women look down at them as a cancer of sorts.

Being a guy does not make you equal, it just makes you appear butch...and that is where being a lady ends.

WHUT???

Women dont want to be men. They just want to have equal pay and equal respect for doing the same thing. If a woman want to do physical labor or wear jeans and her hair short because its comfortable that doesn't make her any less a lady.

By your logic if I want to wear miniskirts, makeup and a ponytail, it doesn't make me any less of a man...right?

Look the work/pay issue is not what I am talking about. It is the expectation of one gender to to be the same as another gender in all aspects...not just work. It just doesn't work that way.

Wear what you like. Clothes dont make the man.

What expectations do you have? Which "aspects" are you refering to?

 

[Sci]

Normally, I wouldn't give a crap about this but since we live in a female dominated society now (yes we do, admit it)

When men are paid $0.70 for every dollar women are paid, when men are objectified in the media while men are not, when images of female dominance and male submission are seen as the standard default gender roles, when men's rights to control their own bodies are under legislative attack, when men are blamed for overwhelming amounts of rape and sexual violence against them, when women make up the overwhelming majority of corporate CEOs, ministers of state, and heads of state and government, then I'll buy it.

Until then: Bull. Shit.

 

[HAL.9000]

Normally, I wouldn't give a crap about this but since we live in a female dominated society now (yes we do, admit it)

When men are paid $0.70 for every dollar women are paid, when men are objectified in the media while men are not, when images of male dominance and female submission are not seen as the standard default gender roles, when women make up the overwhelming majority of corporate CEOs, ministers of state, and heads of state and government, then I'll buy it.

Until then: Bull. Shit.

When women stop getting alimony from a divorce settlement just because they are women then come talk to me. How many men get alimony from their ex wives?

 

[Nerys Myk]

That's the best you got?

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

By your logic if I want to wear miniskirts, makeup and a ponytail, it doesn't make me any less of a man...right?

Look at Eddie Izzard. What do you think?

 

[Sci]

Normally, I wouldn't give a crap about this but since we live in a female dominated society now (yes we do, admit it)

When men are paid $0.70 for every dollar women are paid, when men are objectified in the media while men are not, when images of male dominance and female submission are not seen as the standard default gender roles, when women make up the overwhelming majority of corporate CEOs, ministers of state, and heads of state and government, then I'll buy it.

Until then: Bull. Shit.

When women stop getting alimony from a divorce settlement just because they are women then come talk to me. How many men get alimony from their ex wives?

I think it is perfectly fair to say that there are the occasional structures in society designed to give unfair advantages to women. I think it's also completely fair to say that those structures are vastly outnumbered by ones designed to give unfair advantages to men, and that as such they don't constitute evidence of a female-dominated or truly egalitarian society.

To put it another way:

White people weren't allowed to drink from the water fountains that were marked "For Coloreds." That doesn't mean that segregation overall wasn't designed to benefit whites over blacks.

 

[IndyJones]

When women stop getting alimony from a divorce settlement just because they are women then come talk to me. How many men get alimony from their ex wives?

I started to type a response to this, but--- it's just not worth my time.

 

[Professor Zoom]

A "lady" is a female secure in her own femininity without thinking it's a liability or substandard to men. This whole equality jazz is a joke for the simple reason that we are different. Men have strengths and weaknesses women dont have and vice versa. Instead of celebrating these differences, women look down at them as a cancer of sorts.

Being a guy does not make you equal, it just makes you appear butch...and that is where being a lady ends.

WHUT???

Women dont want to be men. They just want to have equal pay and equal respect for doing the same thing. If a woman want to do physical labor or wear jeans and her hair short because its comfortable that doesn't make her any less a lady.

By your logic if I want to wear miniskirts, makeup and a ponytail, it doesn't make me any less of a man...right?

Why would it make you any less of a man?
It sounds like YOU don't think it makes you a man.

A miniskirt is just cloth. Society has said it "means something." But, a miniskirt isn't to far away from a kilt. And, I dare you to go to Scotland and say THOSE men were less than a man.

Look the work/pay issue is not what I am talking about. It is the expectation of one gender to to be the same as another gender in all aspects...not just work. It just doesn't work that way.

Again, I don't think, and I think a vast majority of people think, that's what gender equality is all about. It's not about BEING the same, but about respect, equal rights, equal pay. But, then YMMV.

 

[scotpens]

6 female governors
92 congresswomen

Not exactly thriving in a supposed female dominated society.

Then more women ought to run for office. Nobody’s preventing them from doing so.

I'm also pretty sure its rarely been correct (politically or otherwise) to hit someone percieved as smaller or weaker than yourself.

In general, women are physically smaller and weaker than men. That’s a fact. Your use of the word “perceived” strikes me as an example of the very sort of Political Correctness the OP was complaining about.

Men still earn more money for the same job and are promoted faster usually.

People doing the same work, or substantially the same work, for the same employer must receive the same pay. That’s been Federal law since 1963.

Women, on the average, earn less than men for all sorts of reasons that have nothing to do with discrimination.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I'm also pretty sure its rarely been correct (politically or otherwise) to hit someone percieved as smaller or weaker than yourself.

In general, women are physically smaller and weaker than men. That’s a fact. Your use of the word “perceived” strikes me as an example of the very sort of Political Correctness the OP was complaining about.

How so? When you pick on someone smaller than you it makes you look like a bully, even if that someone can kick your ass. The gender doesn't matter.

 

[FPAlpha]

Men still earn more money for the same job and are promoted faster usually.

People doing the same work, or substantially the same work, for the same employer must receive the same pay. That’s been Federal law since 1963.

Women, on the average, earn less than men for all sorts of reasons that have nothing to do with discrimination.

So please go out into reality (which has nothing to do with laws) and compare wages.. i'd bet my (male) paycheck that in most companies women get paid less for the same work and the company may have a bullshit excuse to legally justify it should anyone make an official enquiry.

Best example is me: 2 years ago we as a team (then 2 women, 2 men incl. me) got our shit together and demanded a payraise for our group. The company agreed and we men got 150 Euro extra per month (gross) while the women only got 100 (and we men were instructed not to tell the women they're getting less).

Legally i think the company is allowed to do this since raises are not mandatory and it was offered by the company so there's your reality of men vs. women (all equality laws be damned, companies will always find a way to shortchange women).

 

[HAL.9000]

Men still earn more money for the same job and are promoted faster usually.

People doing the same work, or substantially the same work, for the same employer must receive the same pay. That’s been Federal law since 1963.

Women, on the average, earn less than men for all sorts of reasons that have nothing to do with discrimination.

So please go out into reality (which has nothing to do with laws) and compare wages.. i'd bet my (male) paycheck that in most companies women get paid less for the same work and the company may have a bullshit excuse to legally justify it should anyone make an official enquiry.

Best example is me: 2 years ago we as a team (then 2 women, 2 men incl. me) got our shit together and demanded a payraise for our group. The company agreed and we men got 150 Euro extra per month (gross) while the women only got 100 (and we men were instructed not to tell the women they're getting less).

Legally i think the company is allowed to do this since raises are not mandatory and it was offered by the company so there's your reality of men vs. women (all equality laws be damned, companies will always find a way to shortchange women).

I really dont think getting paid less for the same work is gender oriented, and quite frankly sounds illegal as hell.

But let me relay this, I worked for a company once that payed me less for the same work my fellow employees did. The only difference was the time that I was hired. It was after the company had decided to cut the salary of that particular job for all new employees.

I eventually left because I found the whole thing so bogus. I was doing the exact same job as the guy next to me but was getting paid less because he happened to get hired before the cutoff date.

Want a name? I was working for Raytheon in the electronics field. It was the civilian equivalent of a job I did while in my Air Force days...and the pay was crap.

 

[Kegg]

Define "Lady". Me, I hold doors open for everyone, regardless of gender.

Likewise. It's just a polite thing to do.

A "lady" is a female secure in her own femininity without thinking it's a liability or substandard to men. This whole equality jazz is a joke for the simple reason that we are different.

Which is why it's okay for women to slap men but not vice versa.

Wait...

By your logic if I want to wear miniskirts, makeup and a ponytail, it doesn't make me any less of a man...right?

Obviously. I'm really not sure how such behaviour is supposed to unman you. Having a sex change operation, sure, wearing women's clothing not so much.

I really dont think getting paid less for the same work is gender oriented, and quite frankly sounds illegal as hell.

If two people do the same job, for the same hours, perform it as well, and the guy's getting paid more, how is it oriented? Is it because he has brown eyes and she has blue eyes?

 

[HAL.9000]

A "lady" is a female secure in her own femininity without thinking it's a liability or substandard to men. This whole equality jazz is a joke for the simple reason that we are different.

Which is why it's okay for women to slap men but not vice versa.

Wait...

HA!! You got me there my dear Kegg. Touche friend, touche.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Yes, people hired later than other might be paid less than those with more time in the job or with the company. Yes, a company might lower the base salary for a particular job. But how does that story prove that gender bias does not exist? At least in FPAlphas story the women were given lower payrates than men and the men were told to keep it quiet. Which actually addresses the topic.

 

[scotpens]

Look at Eddie Izzard. What do you think?

I think he’s much more attractive when he dresses butch.

 

[Pingfah]

By your logic if I want to wear miniskirts, makeup and a ponytail, it doesn't make me any less of a man...right?

Problem is, to you "man" is a subjective definition of the things you deem masculine, which isn't really what a man is at all.

 

[Gaith]

Back to the TV/M Original Subject....

Women perpetuate the species, so when we see one injured, we not only feel for her, but worry for the continued strength of the tribe. Not funny.

Men, OTOH, exist to either die, or, if they're tough and smart enough, to mate and then die. The eternal state of the male population is a very generous surplus beyond the minimum for species survival. Ergo, when one gets assaulted by just about anything - a female, another male, a falling inanimate object - etc., there's the capacity for humor.

There. Easy when you know how.

 

[Professor Zoom]

Back to the TV/M Original Subject....

Women perpetuate the species, so when we see one injured, we not only feel for her, but worry for the continued strength of the tribe. Not funny.

Men, OTOH, exist to either die, or, if they're tough and smart enough, to mate and then die. The eternal state of the male population is a very generous surplus beyond the minimum for species survival. Ergo, when one gets assaulted by just about anything - a female, another male, a falling inanimate object - etc., there's the capacity for humor.

There. Easy when you know how.

I would actually argue the reason it's funny is because it's STILL a Male dominated society. To see a WOMAN strike a man, and get away with it, diminishes the man, it's a topsy turvy world. An element of humor is seeing status taken away from a high status character.

But, as things change, it probably won't be funny anymore, or funny for the same reasons.

 

[Gaith]

I would actually argue the reason it's funny is because it's STILL a Male dominated society.

So if some kind of disaster were to wipe-out three-fourths of society's men, thereby creating a matriarchal society, there would eventually develop the potential for riotous humor in men striking ladies?

Nay, IMO. This sort of thing goes to our hard-wired instincts.